New Rifle

[NZ_Fclass]

Test fired at the factory - a couple of hundred times.

 

[archerforkids]

Test fired at the factory - a couple of hundred times.

And the life for a 6.5 PRC barrel would be??????

 

[archerforkids]

On a side note, I showed Grant how to measure the chamber for overall case length for that particular rifle. SAAMI specs show 6.5 PRC max case length at 2.03. That chamber measured 2.07. Seamed a little sloppy is what went through my mind. Can someone enlighten me on allowable variation?

I don't think anybody noticed this post. Is it out of the ordinary the chamber got cut this deep? On another note, I used a 140 grain Hornady ELDM to measure to the lands. The overall length on said bullet was 2.99. SAAMI show max OAL at 2.755. The stock magazine won't take that bullet if we have to crowd the lands at all. I haven't checked the shoulders on the case yet. I'm hoping its not a mile in.

 

[jelenko]

The overall length on said bullet was 2.99. SAAMI show max OAL at 2.755

Wouldn't that just mean you would need to seat the bullet deeper?

 

[DShortt]

This rifle has never been fired by the owner. Brand new rifle.

Huh. It's a shame you weren't able to borescope it before you started working on it.

Something definitely 'rotten in Denmark' there.

I love my Teslong. Hooks to my phone. 'New rifle you say? Let's look.'

Suddenly someone is nervous, and it isn't me.

 

[Mariah]

I have a youngster I'm mentoring with reloading. Very sharp kid. Only 16 year old i ever met that has his own vegetable garder!!!
His folks bought him a new 6.5 PRC rifle. Upper end brand. Like probably a $2000.00 rifle. He brought it to the house to show off of course. Anyway. I asked him if he had cleaned it yet. Kind of through him off with it being new and all.
I was blown away at what we got out of that barrel. Anybody besides me think this might not be a new rifle. I've never experienced this before.

looks like a lot of copper in that barrel

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

2.955 is max saami cartridge length. Min.2.755

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

I have had very dirty barrels in new rifles in the past. sometimes it is cosmoline or some other rust preventative. Sometimes it seems it was test fired and not cleaned after. Just recently an Uberti High Wall in 45 Colt was filthy and presumably was new.

My NEW Tikka's ( Bought from, EuroOptic, Cabela's and 2 from, Sportsmans ) were Test Fired then,.. GREASED Up with, something Like,.. Rusty Cosmoline from, the Factory,.. YUP,.. ALL, 4 of, Them !
NO Problem, IF you Know how to, Clean, a Barrel ! Wet, patches w/ Copper Solvent FIRST to, Get the Junk,.. Out !
I usually, Smooth Out, the Sharp, Rifling, "Edges" a bit with JB's Slathered over, a Patch Over, a Bronze Brush,. 8 to 10 Strokes "One Way" Only, to Facillitate, barrel "Break-in" and it, Polishes, the Throat a Bit at the Same Time !
Makes Factory Rifle Barrels, EZ to clean and RARELY,.. ANY Carbon !
Be SURE to, Get ALL, the JB's Out,... Clean, clean, CLEAN !!!

 

[Clancy]

Yea….. definitely not fouling from test firing. Wow!

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

Clean the Pisszz Out of It and Test shoot, some Group's,.. BEFORE,.. "Worrying", over It.
Some, Custom Rifles ARE, Proof Test Fired then, 3 or 5 Shot Group's, are shot.
The Custom Hunting Rifles made in, Boise, Idaho ARE Test Shot at, 1,000 Yards, before ever, going Out, the Door !
And for $7- $8,000. a Pop,.. they AIN'T gonna bother, Cleaning them, either !
I think they are Called, AlTerra Rifles,.. IIRC ( My son has watched them, Test shoot, the Rifles ).
I Believe that, they Promise, 1/2 MOA Accuracy for, 3 Shot group's ! ( w/ THEIR Ammo ! )

 

[DShortt]

Clean the Pisszz Out of It and Test shoot, some Group's,.. BEFORE,.. "Worrying", over It.
Some, Custom Rifles ARE, Proof Test Fired then, 3 or 5 Shot Group's, are shot.
Some Custom Rifles made in, Boise, Idaho ARE Test Shot at, 1,000 Yards, before ever, going Out, the Door !
And for $5- $6,000. a Pop,.. they AIN'T gonna Clean them, either !

Test fire how many times?

I've seen cheap factory rifles fired for deer season and sight- in over a 20 year span that weren't ever cleaned with anything but patches soaked with WD-40 that didn't look any worse than the OP's pics.

That's a hot mess.

I'd bet if a borescope was run down that bore it looks like an interstate in a heavily traveled section of the upper Mid-West where salt is used heavily and the frost just came out of the ground in March.

Potholes.

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

You can Get By "accuracy Wise" with, a Dirty Barrel, Shot up to about, 100 Shots or, more, IF, NOT, greased / Oiled over, the Copper fouling. I Clean my Barrels about every, 60 Rds Min to, 80-90 Max shots.
George T. GT Rifles says that, he can Go, up to 500 Shots before cleaning, on His competition Rifles.
I think AlTerra Rifles Shoot enough to, "Prove" them Accurate @ 1,000 then,.. Out the Door.
Give them a Call ( 208 area Code ) if, interested as We've never, asked them, could Be as Low as,.. 3 Shots, each !

 

[archerforkids]

I sent about a dozen bore pics to the dad. He and I had a long discussion about all this. He wants to reach out to manufacturer. I emphasized approaching this with an open mind. I'm NOT a gunsmith. Just an old guy that is OCD about gathering info on rifle before starting load development. This thing may shoot lights out. Everything i suggested to him is what I would do if it was my rifle.

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

Test fire how many times?

I've seen cheap factory rifles fired for deer season and sight- in over a 20 year span that weren't ever cleaned with anything but patches soaked with WD-40 that didn't look any worse than the OP's pics.

That's a hot mess.

I'd bet if a borescope was run down that bore it looks like an interstate in a heavily traveled section of the upper Mid-West where salt is used heavily and the frost just came out of the ground in March.

Potholes.

My Tikka's Barrels, looked,.. pretty UGLY too !
It's gonna Be, HARD to "Prove" that,.. it was, a Used Rifle,.. IMO
Call the Manufacturer or, Read the Manual, For Info on,.. Proofing / Test Firing

 

[archerforkids]

I actually emailed manufacturer today about test firing. They said every rifle gets 2 to 3 shots through it. They were relatively prompt with responding.

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

@ DShort,..
NEW, Un-Lapped, Factory Barrels Have, Sharp edges, on the Rifling, a sharp Edge at, the Throat's edge from, the Reamer cutting the chamber, and Sometimes even "Chatter Marks", in the Bore,.. ALL those "edges" & Pockets,..
Can easily Accumulate / Hold,... LOTS of, "COPPER" !

 

[DShortt]

@ DShort,..
NEW, Un-Lapped, Factory Barrels Have, Sharp edges, on the Rifling, a sharp Edge at, the Throat's edge from, the Reamer cutting the chamber, and Sometimes even "Chatter Marks", in the Bore,.. ALL those "edges" & Pockets,..
Can easily Accumulate / Hold,... LOTS of, "COPPER" !

I understand. I also understand that unless that bore is far worse than most $400 Savage Rifles, there's no way it'll peel off that much copper in 2,3,4 rounds.
I base my opinions off personal experience. If I have an experience that causes me to change my opinion, then I will.

Until then, I shall wait for the OP to post borescope images.

 

[archerforkids]

I understand. I also understand that unless that bore is far worse than most $400 Savage Rifles, there's no way it'll peel off that much copper in 2,3,4 rounds.

I'm of the same opinion. I will also admit to only having done load development and break in for 2 to 3 dozen rifles out of the box new. That's why I came on here. Having not seen it before through me a curve .

 

[DShortt]

I'm of the same opinion. I will also admit to only having done load development and break in for 2 to 3 dozen rifles out of the box new. That's why I came on here. Having not seen it before through me a curve .

A $2K rifle shouldn't do that IMO.

One thing I have concluded is that there's literally no end to the way mass production rifle manufacturers can find to mess up a barrel.

 

[archerforkids]

I understand. I also understand that unless that bore is far worse than most $400 Savage Rifles, there's no way it'll peel off that much copper in 2,3,4 rounds.
I base my opinions off personal experience. If I have an experience that causes me to change my opinion, then I will.

Until then, I shall wait for the OP to post borescope images.

See my post #36