New NRA F-Class High Power Rifle Committee

[DE-F-Open]

The NRA Board of Directors meeting today in Dallas, Texas, just voted to create a new permanent standing committee just for F-Class.

The new committee is called the F-Class High Power Rifle Committee and will have jurisdiction over all F-Class High Power Rifle Competition rules and programs. This means that the old High Power Rifle Committee will no longer have jurisdiction over F-Class.

F-Class is now officially a full-blown, mature, stand-alone shooting discipline, independent and separate from the rest of High Power.

 

[B Nettesheim]

Good

 

[Rope2horns]

@DE-F-Open any idea who the members of the Fclass committee happen to be?

 

[Ned Ludd]

@DE-F-Open any idea who the members of the Fclass committee happen to be?

^^^This. I hope they are F-Class shooters. If so, this should be a very positive change for F-Class.

 

[DE-F-Open]

@DE-F-Open any idea who the members of the Fclass committee happen to be?

No it's too early.

The President is responsible for drafting the "Responsibility Statement" for the new committee and then to name the committee members. They will probably wait until after the Annual Meeting and appoint the members of this committee at the same time they appoint all the other committees.

It is my hope that he will appoint shooters from both F-T/R and F-Open and that they will be people we all know and respect.

John

 

[memilanuk]

@DE-F-Open any idea who the members of the Fclass committee happen to be?

The NRA has historically been pretty bad at making it publicly known who is actually on the HP committee; I wouldn't expect this one to be any different.

 

[Ned Ludd]

I would like to nominate Norm H. as the Supreme Leader of our new F-Class Overlords.

 

[BP1]

I would like to nominate Norm H. as the Supreme Leader of our new F-Class Overlords.

I second that motion.

 

[Mark Walker in TX]

This is great news John! Wahoo!!

 

[Sandstorm]

+3 for Norm

 

[mgdietrich]

Actually, this is bad news. There already are very few competitive shooters on the Board. Diluting them won’t improve the output. Let’s be honest, with where the NRA is in legal issues it isn’t going to last much longer.

Fclass should be going to CMP and looking at them as the future of competitive shooting. They have $ and appear to actually care about marksmanship. NRA is and has allowed LaPierre to bankrupt themselves. A board of ~80 people isn’t a board. No company functions that way.

I have shot for the US on NRA teams in England, US, Canada and New Zealand. I have carried their flag a long time, but it is too far gone and I don’t see it being able to comeback to anything close to the past.

Who in the Fclass realm has any say at NRA beside Mid? John Sigler was very involved, but that is 2 people. Add Walt walters and you have 3. That doesn’t go too far in that org.

 

[memilanuk]

Who in the Fclass realm has any say at NRA beside Mid? John S was very involved, but that is 2 people. Add Walt walters and you have 3. That doesn’t go too far in that org.

I might add Earl Liebetrau and John Sigler, but that's just a guess. Maybe Larry Bartholome?

 

[mgdietrich]

I might add Earl Liebetrau and John Sigler, but that's just a guess. Maybe Larry Bartholome?

Good call, yes Earl too. Ok so 4 people.

If the high power committee can’t take care of XTC, LR, Midrange and Fclass all inclusive I don’t understand what they really do.

Two separate committees will create more problems, especially since the VAST majority of matches have both sling and fclass competitors at the same match.

 

[6fatrat]

Actually, this is bad news. There already are very few competitive shooters on the Board. Diluting them won’t improve the output. Let’s be honest, with where the NRA is in legal issues it isn’t going to last much longer.

Fclass should be going to CMP and looking at them as the future of competitive shooting. They have $ and appear to actually care about marksmanship. NRA is and has allowed LaPierre to bankrupt themselves. A board of ~80 people isn’t a board. No company functions that way.

I have shot for the US on NRA teams in England, US, Canada and New Zealand. I have carried their flag a long time, but it is too far gone and I don’t see it being able to comeback to anything close to the past.

Who in the Fclass realm has any say at NRA beside Mid? John Sigler was very involved, but that is 2 people. Add Walt walters and you have 3. That doesn’t go too far in that org.

I agree with Morgan.
Steve Bair

 

[mgdietrich]

The NRA Board of Directors meeting today in Dallas, Texas, just voted to create a new permanent standing committee just for F-Class.

The new committee is called the F-Class High Power Rifle Committee and will have jurisdiction over all F-Class High Power Rifle Competition rules and programs. This means that the old High Power Rifle Committee will no longer have jurisdiction over F-Class.

F-Class is now officially a full-blown, mature, stand-alone shooting discipline, independent and separate from the rest of High Power.

And how many board members total were present in Dallas?

 

[Acyr]

Sounds like a solution in search of a problem.

 

[Ned Ludd]

Why all the gloom and doom and the glass is half empty? It seems a little too early for that as yet. Creating an an independent F-Class High Power Rifle Committee, and then staffing it with folks that don't actually compete in F-Class would be ludicrous beyond reason. Let's just hope that won't be the way it shakes out and keep a positive outlook until it becomes necessary to do otherwise. I cannot imagine why there wouldn't be plenty of qualified F-Class shooters that would be happy to serve on such a committee, so there shouldn't be any good reason not to have the new committee staffed by F-Class shooters. I get it, things haven't gone that way in the past, but it doesn't have to turn out that way this time.

 

[Twdmar]

Why all the gloom and doom and the glass is half empty? It seems a little too early for that as yet. Creating an an independent F-Class High Power Rifle Committee, and then staffing it with folks that don't actually compete in F-Class would be ludicrous beyond reason. Let's just hope that won't be the way it shakes out and keep a positive outlook until it becomes necessary to do otherwise. I cannot imagine why there wouldn't be plenty of qualified F-Class shooters that would be happy to serve on such a committee, so there shouldn't be any good reason not to have the new committee staffed by F-Class shooters. I get it, things haven't gone that way in the past, but it doesn't have to turn out that way this time.

Committees related to competition have already in several instances suffering from people unfamiliar with the said competitive disciplines and it has been a problem. I am not sure it has always been due to a lack of enthusiastic, qualified applicants either.
But, you may be correct that there is a chance they will get it right.

 

[mgdietrich]

Why all the gloom and doom and the glass is half empty? It seems a little too early for that as yet. Creating an an independent F-Class High Power Rifle Committee, and then staffing it with folks that don't actually compete in F-Class would be ludicrous beyond reason. Let's just hope that won't be the way it shakes out and keep a positive outlook until it becomes necessary to do otherwise. I cannot imagine why there wouldn't be plenty of qualified F-Class shooters that would be happy to serve on such a committee, so there shouldn't be any good reason not to have the new committee staffed by F-Class shooters. I get it, things haven't gone that way in the past, but it doesn't have to turn out that way this time.

Ned:
There are plenty of committees already, talk to some that have served in the past. Ray Gross, Norm Houle, Conrad Powers, plenty of others. They knew the sport, the majority on the committees didn’t. Thus, bad decisions.
Getting committees is just like our congress, old boys club etc versus who actually has knowledge of the sport.

It makes no reason to have separate committees for highpower. Fclass is a highpower sport, this creates more potential problems.

Walt walters has been involved longest- key question, through the last day 5 years what changes, enhancements, or improvements have come out of any of the different committees? I would bet the list is pretty darn short.

Hope it works, but past experience would say otherwise.

 

[Ned Ludd]

Ned:
There are plenty of committees already, talk to some that have served in the past. Ray Gross, Norm Houle, Conrad Powers, plenty of others. They knew the sport, the majority on the committees didn’t. Thus, bad decisions.
Getting committees is just like our congress, old boys club etc versus who actually has knowledge of the sport.

It makes no reason to have separate committees for highpower. Fclass is a highpower sport, this creates more potential problems.

Walt walters has been involved longest- key question, through the last day 5 years what changes, enhancements, or improvements have come out of any of the different committees? I would bet the list is pretty darn short.

Hope it works, but past experience would say otherwise.

I've been shooting F-TR for 12 years; so I'm not completely unaware of some of the problems that have occurred in the past. However, today is the first time where it was publicly announced that F-Class shooters may finally enjoy a little autonomy and control of their own destiny. The details aren't even out yet and the response seems overly negative and pessimistic, IMO. All I'm saying is let's just give it chance.

F-Class has suffered from a kind of benign neglect over the years in part because it has been a subdivision of Highpower. You and everyone else know exactly what I'm talking about, no other description is necessary. I would like to think a little separation between the two disciplines is a step in the right direction, not a potential negative. However, I have no illusions that everything F-Class will instantly become all rainbows and unicorn tears. Nonetheless, this could be the beginning of something good, and I'm trying to keep a positive attitude about it. The key will be that the committee is actually composed of bona fide F-Class shooters, not just shooters from some other discipline that may have participated in F-Class a few times and really don't have a vested interest in F-Class shooting.