I shoot with kids who understand neither, they have a reticle, and feel it is all they need to know. It can and does work for them, until you cannot give a call in exact increments. Then they vapor lock, it is way more prevalent than you'd think.
Need Help With MOA????
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Does anyone besides Tac shooters even use mils
I think it's interesting how people will spend a lot of energy trying to discredit something that they don't understand or use.
ED3, you said that the impact was on the edge of the 10 ring.
According to you the 10 ring is 10" in diameter (1 MOA at 1000 yards)
The X is always in the center of each ring and the center of a circle is always halfway across the diameter.
Therefore the X is 5 inches from the impact, or one half MOA at 1000 yards.
That requires an adjustment of;
1/2 MOA (2 clicks if your scope used 1/4 MOA clicks).
0.1 Mil (1 click if your scope used 0.1 Mil clicks and you round off to the closest adjustment to the needed 5 inches)
So it's obvious that we both made math mistakes based on the size of the rings but my math was correct while yours wasn't.
ED3, you said that the impact was on the edge of the 10 ring.
According to you the 10 ring is 10" in diameter (1 MOA at 1000 yards)
The X is always in the center of each ring and the center of a circle is always halfway across the diameter.
Therefore the X is 5 inches from the impact, or one half MOA at 1000 yards.
That requires an adjustment of;
1/2 MOA (2 clicks if your scope used 1/4 MOA clicks).
0.1 Mil (1 click if your scope used 0.1 Mil clicks and you round off to the closest adjustment to the needed 5 inches)
So it's obvious that we both made math mistakes based on the size of the rings but my math was correct while yours wasn't.
guys who use mils also think SD is significant and they'll "explain" at length as how 'mean' and 'average' and 'median' are used and where and why
and they say "mil'ing is more accurate than using moa because 1.047"
and they shoot first focal plane scopes, cuz TACTICAL!!
and they discount ES as meaningless
and they throw out the bad shots
and they stomp kittens
and they say "mil'ing is more accurate than using moa because 1.047"
and they shoot first focal plane scopes, cuz TACTICAL!!
and they discount ES as meaningless
and they throw out the bad shots
and they stomp kittens
That kitten was asking for it; plus I hate kittens. We also listen to metal, don't forget about metal.
LA50SHOOTER
Sworn To Protect The Constitution.
Those of us who own scopes that have MIL Reticles and clicks that are MIL based. - I got a heck of a deal on a Sightron SVSS 10-50x and it clicks at 0.05 MIL per click (one twentieth of a MIL). I've found its not really that difficult IF one applies there self and I'm not a youngster either. (How I did it was by realizing 1 MIL at 1000 yds = 36 inches OR 3.6 inches at 100 yds - after that its just some simple math)
- And I'm not a Tac shooter, I shoot Long Range & Short Range at Paper Targets for Group & Score. -
I've found that conversion from MILS to MOA & MOA to MILS to be the ones that take the most time, but in the end its just math. - I remember "Reference" values & after that its just math. - Most of us now days have a smart-phone so that means we have a calculator along with it, and I'm sure there are a bunch of "Apps" that will do the math just by punching in numbers. -
Good Day Gent's !!
Umm, actually it depends on your scope. Some will use 4 clicks per MOA. Some are 1/4 MOA per click and some are 1/8 MOA per click.
I use MOA for short range stuff and Mils for long range. The main difference is that MOA scopes require more clicks to move the impact that same distance as a Mil scope but you can come closer to your needed impact change with an MOA scope because each click results in smaller changes than the Mil scope. The example I've been talking about proves it, the Mil scope would require one click of change while the MOA scope would require two, but the MOA scope should be dead on while the Mil scope will off by a little more than an inch. Tactically the Mil is better because an inch off at 1000 yards wont change the results much and I can adjust my scope quicker. As a hunter my personal preference is to never shoot at an animal at ranges of more than 3 or 4 hundred yards so I don't have to move my MOA knobs too much and they are more precise so I feel more confident that I can make a clean shot.
Lone Hunter
Silver $$ Contributor
LOL, Unless you are using.25 or .50 on your adjustments . Then it's 4 or 2 clicks. Ram Mac beat me to it.
I agree with you about converting the Mils and MOAs. I get around it by just figuring out the approximate inches of adjustment and then calculating Mils or MOA depending on which scope I'm using. I don't try to convert from one to the other.
GSPV
A failure to plan is a plan for failure.
Ya don’t say!
Of course there is that one scope that has both 1/8 and 1/4 MOA turrets....
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GSPV, excellent summation. Can only add “wOW”
STOMP a helpless kitty!!
Kittens! LMAO
GSPV
A failure to plan is a plan for failure.
In the interests of full disclosure, that 1/5th was a fat finger and I corrected it.
hogpatrol
Gold $$ Contributor
@hogpatrol , we need some popping corn
Been out all day doing deer stuff and just catching up. I read two pages and my eyes started to bleed.
We need more than popcorn. Probably better off with some mind altering substance. Wild Turkey, maybe?You're quite right. I stand corrected. I visualized one thing, and wrote something else.
I wasn't my intent to engage any adversarial discussion,with you, or anyone else; merely point out that in shooting at paper targets , which are based on MOA a MIL scope requires at least one step of calculations, thus making it an imperfect system for the task.
As to my use of the term 'waterline', it might have been clearer had I said... a 3 o'clock, or 9 o'clock hit; a shot level with the center of the target.
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