neck tension

[Jay Christopherson]

Take it easy everyone, step back from the keyboard and take a breath. I know it's the Internet, we're all High Masters and God forbid that someone, somewhere on the Internet be wrong, but we're really tired of having to respond to and manage threads that devolve into bickering.

 

[JarheadAZ]

I agree and apologize to all involved. I am editing my posts to reflect this.

Greg Langelius

 

[Pappy42]

Other than rude personal attacks; a poster should be able state an opinion with the expectation that opinions will vary and that debate can be healthy.

My opinion re reloading is: safety matters, consistency matters, and what works for YOU matters. For me; being able to avail myself of the collective wisdoms of folks who have been there and done that is invaluable.

That said, I'm not a fan of ego and vitriol

 

[bigedp51]

Take it easy everyone, step back from the keyboard and take a breath. I know it's the Internet, we're all High Masters and God forbid that someone, somewhere on the Internet be wrong, but we're really tired of having to respond to and manage threads that devolve into bickering.

Jay Christopherson

No one is bickering and we are not talking about micron size particulate matter. :

It is just my opinion that the OP needs some "basic" instructions. And again how many people here remove the expander from their die and have .010 neck tension?

And we must remember that hundreds of people read these posting looking for information and guidance. And the answers we give are not just for the person asking the question. And 2264 people have looked at this posting.

 

[Jay Christopherson]

Other than rude personal attacks; a poster should be able state an opinion with the expectation that opinions will vary and that debate can be healthy.

At the risk of derailing this thread further:

This is absolutely spot on. Disagreement is the lifeblood of any forum; how boring otherwise. But, <insert gasp here>, there are lots of people out there who can't handle being disagreed with and the reaction to being confronted is to go on the attack. That never happens on the Internet, right? There's something about being relatively anonymous that brings out the worst in some people. I'm frankly all for requiring real names on the forum (shortened or otherwise), but that's not my call to make.

 

[BoydAllen]

+1

 

[Jay Christopherson]

Take it easy everyone, step back from the keyboard and take a breath. I know it's the Internet, we're all High Masters and God forbid that someone, somewhere on the Internet be wrong, but we're really tired of having to respond to and manage threads that devolve into bickering.

Jay Christopherson

No one is bickering and we are not talking about micron size particulate matter. :

It is just my opinion that the OP needs some "basic" instructions. And again how many people here remove the expander from their die and have .010 neck tension?

And we must remember that hundreds of people read these posting looking for information and guidance. And the answers we give are not just for the person asking the question. And 2264 people have looked at this posting.

I guess the half dozen notifications in my morning inbox were just an episode brought on by previous trauma. :

I don't care about contrarian postings - what I do care about is the fact that some people can't do so without either directly or indirectly taking personal shots at other posters.

 

['Freak]

JarheadNY

I’ve had partial sizing via backing the die away from a fully extended ram/shell holder turn out to be not such a good idea. When the full length size die is backed out an appreciable amount, one to two turns would be .071” to .143”, the die squeezing in on the side of the case body can move the shoulder forward, lengthening the case body from head to shoulder datum, same as if it had been fired in a different rifle having a notably longer chamber. The one time fired case(s) ended up too long for the chamber it was initially fired in. Prior to sizing in the backed off die, the bolt would close on the case without resistance. Afterwards, the bolt would close but it took a good bit more effort than I was expecting or thought should be considered as acceptable.

Late 70’s factory issue Winchester Model 70 in .308 Winchester and using RCBS dies of the same period. I’d read about ‘partial sizing’ in a Speer/RCBS manual bought at the same time as the dies.

‘Freak

 

[bigedp51]

I guess the half dozen notifications in my morning inbox were just an episode brought on by previous trauma. :

I don't care about contrarian postings - what I do care about is the fact that some people can't do so without either directly or indirectly taking personal shots at other posters.

Maybe you have crybabies in the forum who complain to you to get their way hoping someone will be banned from the forum. I do not see any insults in my posting here and I do not plan to sugar coat my postings.

So I will say it again "WHY" would anyone remove the expander from their die hoping to get satisfactory reloading results without gauges? If this is offensive then why do school teachers give out D and F when grading papers.

As an example what does what OleFreak said to JarheadNY have anything to do with the OP problem? And why aren't more people addressing the question?

 

[JRS]

Stretch out those short alligator arms, pull some money out of your pocket and order the WTC sizing die

 

[bigedp51]

I guess the half dozen notifications in my morning inbox were just an episode brought on by previous trauma. :

I don't care about contrarian postings - what I do care about is the fact that some people can't do so without either directly or indirectly taking personal shots at other posters.

+1.....

And now more rats come out of the wood pile that didn't even attempt to answer the OP question.

 

[JarheadAZ]

And now more rats come out of the wood pile that didn't even attempt to answer the OP question.

I'm sorry, but when the object of the complaints has the temerity to argue with the Site Admin, I know the inmates are running the asylum.

Just a newb opinion, but something needs to happen here...

How does one place a poster on 'ignore' here?

Greg Langelius

 

[JarheadAZ]

OleFreak;

I found the same thing, I needed to bump shoulders occasionally.

Because of this, even though there was a small accuracy advantage with it, I discontinued partial length neck sizing, mainly 'cause folks were always asking, "What's that...?" and I couldn't point to the target for an answer.

Greg

 

[Jay Christopherson]

ok, neck tension is an interesting topic, so any further off-topic derailment will be dealt with accordingly. Points have been made all around, let's just continue on. Kumbaya and all that junk.

Way back early, bigedp51 had a good note:

If you are not neck turning your brass with your new bushing die your are just pushing any neck irregularities to the inside of the neck.

This is precisely the reason why I (and so many others) neck turn, or even skim turn, even when the chamber is "no-turn". Neck "tension" is a huge variable in accuracy. Very small changes can have a very big effect on paper. Aside from weighing charges, I probably spend more time on ensuring highly consistent tension than anything else.

 

[JarheadAZ]

As an example what does what OleFreak said to JarheadNY have anything to do with the OP problem? And why aren't more people addressing the question?

Honestly, I don't think it as anything to do with it, but having said that, why is I so important to you that it doesn't? Did somebody die and leave you as the sole permissible commentator on the subject?

People aren't addressing the OP anymore because YOU DID SUCH A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING IT YOURSELF.

I just wish you'd take the Admin's advice, you already won your argument way back.

Be well,

Greg

 

[JRS]

As an example what does what OleFreak said to JarheadNY have anything to do with the OP problem? And why aren't more people addressing the question?

Honestly, I don't think it as anything to do with it, but having said that, why is I so important to you that it doesn't? Did somebody die and leave you as the sole permissible commentator on the subject?

People aren't addressing the OP anymore because YOU DID SUCH A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING IT YOURSELF.

I just wish you'd take the Admin's advice, you already won your argument way back.

Be well,

Greg

Slow down a bit, Jarhead. Read post #50 submitted by Jay, then, re-read your post.

 

[bigedp51]

I'm not trying to insult anyone but one post isn't a forum vote as to the problem and I was hoping more people would make more comments on what the OP was doing wrong.

I even complimented Boyd Allen about his good answer, this isn't a war or an argument "BUT" I wish people would stay on topic. And explain to the OP the right and wrong of sizing, he is at the extremes of both ends. Meaning over resizing his neck and then switching to a bushing die without neck turning and having gauges.

Now why don't we talk about the wrong way and the right way to size the case neck without waxing philosophical and drifting off topic. (or getting your feathers ruffled and waxing warlike)

And JarheadNY if you think I was insulting and your a Marine just remember, I didn't tell anyone Chesty Puller was a Navy cook.

Bigedp51, Aim High Air Force
Who was sent twice to MCAS Iwakuni and servived even after the Gunny said we needed hair cuts and didn't get them.

 

[JarheadAZ]

I give up.

See you all later.

Maybe.

Greg

 

[Concha]

Missing you Ed........
Not

 

[Hawkeye100]

If I may re open the neck tension debate, although in a different direction.

How consistent is neck tension over time......

Assuming I have prepped my brass, f/l sized, neck turned, annealed, tumbled and washed. If we have a competition in a months time, can I load up my pet load now in advance, or should I wait until a couple of days prior to the event and resize again before loading?

In our National champs, we need 500 to complete the match, not really possible to do that a day or 2 prior to the event. I have heard different opinions on this subject, any input welcome.