Nat'l Firearms Background Check Law Intro

[400short]

rr2030 and ED3 have it right. Basic safety & handling should be core curriculum in middle school. Marksmanship competition should be available to those interested at the JV and Varsity levels. Common knowledge would enhance public safety & national security, and we would once again become a nation of riflemen.

 

[people]

I wonder what our founding fathers would say about this thread/conversation..... I could just see George Washington leaning over and whispering to Thomas Jefferson as the bill of rights was read, "hey Tom, you should have added a clause in the second amendment about a safety class" .

You are really trolling this issue. You stated you are almost 80 years old. You are old enough to have seen how government over reach has killed tens of millions of people.

Even if you do not need it you are probably getting social security. Look how bad that program has been ran. How do you think the Gov will not screw this up also? Why are you so ready to put a burden on US citizens to get a fire arm? So if you do not have this class you keep talking about what is the punishment? Look at all the wives out there who never shot but get their husbands firearms when they die. So you are just ok with jailing elderly women because they did not take a class? That is total BS.

Your comment about Jefferson proves you know nothing about why the second amendment was added to the bill of rights. Now go troll some other forum and push your socialist crap there.

 

[people]

Wouldn’t it be great if the gun owners
Were the people who as for it
I wonder how the anti gun people would like to have to take the class

They would take it to court and some socialist judge would state it is not constitutional and not a single anti-gun would ever have to take that class. We the firearms owners would be burdened with one more thing to own a firearm. It is like stating every sale needs to have a background check. My buddy in CO told me it costs him $45.00USD to transfer a firearm. This tax or burden is totally excessive as would your test.

 

[ED3]

This is what you typed:

“Ever hear the NHRA say: "That's way more horsepower than a car needs "?”

My point, that continues to elude you, is that your sentence only makes sense if you replaced NHRA with NHTSA. Get it????

I won't belabor the point beyond this explanation:

I wrongly assumed the NHRA , a private organization, had a broader mission beyond that of sanctioned automotive competitions, but also advocated for automotive performance in general, which would be not unlike the NRA's mission of both competition, and advocacy.

The NHTSA, on the other hand, is a gov't regulatory agency.
I can't make it any clearer.

 

[Joe Salt]

Instead of bashing each other, why not complain about or government not taking the criminals out and hanging them when they do something like, the shooting in the school in Florida!
I don't need anymore back ground checks, I live in upstate new York and 40 miles south of me is Syracuse there are shootings every day. And you might ask what happens? they blame the guns.
Are wonderful Governor is about to put more legislation on what we already have with there UN-Safe Act. How do you thing I feel? There is no simple solution. But Damn it put the blame were it belongs. As someone said not all Muslims are bad, so why aren't we treated with the same respect.

Joe Salt

 

[rr2030]

I don’t see why everyone shouldn't have to get certified to own a gun
Doctors electrician plumbers truck drivers and the list go on all have to
Why shouldn’t a person to own a gun

licensing for a trade or profession is one thing, licensing for constitutional rights is another. Are you suggesting licensing for each and every amendment or just select ones that no person or body should have the power to choose? Safety training, just like drivers education is one thing, moving on to a drivers license is another and I am not for licensing, I am pro training, with or without some sort of certificate, doesn't matter.

 

[rr2030]

I wonder how the anti gun people would like to have to take the class

I would give as much of a shit about what they don't like as they do about me paying DOJ transfer fees, etc

 

[savagedasher]

I think you have missed the point
It has nothing to do with the constitution
What would happen I the gun owner required it of everyone
Wouldn’t it be better if all the gun hatter had to take the course
Most fear the gun because they know nothing about them
How many people don’t realize a AR is no different then a Remington Semi automatic
Missed informed people or lack of knowledge of firearms is the problem
Fear is the problem
My wife ask me to put my AR in the safe
To was setting next to my Remington
I told her it was exactly the same just look different
Problem was solved
Most gun owners have not thought about that

 

[The German]

"Common sense laws" is something they should be concerned about. Plus wasting tax payer's money on drafting a bill (well, I am sure it is just pulling it out of Frankenstein's drawer) that will not go anywhere besides the trash bin where it belongs, does not sit well with me either. A total waste of time and money on something that is useless to begin with.

 

[corning]

I don’t see why everyone shouldn't have to get certified to own a gun
Doctors electrician plumbers truck drivers and the list go on all have to
Why shouldn’t a person to own a gun

I can own a truck, do plumbing, do electrical work, and yes, even tend to my own medical needs WITHOUT a "certification". Why should I need anyone's permission, let alone government permission, to exercise my Constitutional rights?

 

[savagedasher]

Your correct but you cannot do it for others And most of the above has restrictions
My point is wouldn’t you rather have people who have knowledge of gun to deal with rather then a uninformed person

 

[Bojo]

The reality of this thread seems to be of the concensus that fire arms education and saftey train is lacking. I will not disagree .
Trying even to think that any one of those gun grabbing nut jobs would be satisfied by you having a piece of paper that says you are safe is not possible.
Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
Plenty of laws are on the books already to stop repeat offenders, our justice system is just to weak on the criminals as they spend way to much time to constrict they everyday law abiding man .

 

[Ned Ludd]

This is a ridiculous thread. Any of you think all the various people in the GOVERMENT that would have to sign off on any such law could ever actually agree on what constitutes PROPER gun safety training? I'll bet the small group posting here in this thread couldn't even come to a consensus. Keep the government out of things whenever possible if you want them to work.

 

[savagedasher]

The only person that matters is the president and the one we have Could

 

[Milo 2.0]

The only person that matters is the president and the one we have Could

Larry, you really need to stick a fork in the insanity and call it done. Your certification would serve no purpose other than to register all firearms owners.

 

[savagedasher]

Larry, you really need to stick a fork in the insanity and call it done. Your certification would serve no purpose other than to register all
Aren’t we all now ?

 

[rr2030]

I think we can all agree that whaat we desire is firearm safety knowledge, not necessarily a certificate. The more educated and familiar people as a whole become, in my opinion we may have less accidents and people are more likely to recognize a AR rifle works the same as others designed 100 years earlier and realize that after your first firearm purchase waiting periods are a moot point. But I don't underestimate the ability of people in mass doing stupid things either.

 

[corning]

Your correct but you cannot do it for others And most of the above has restrictions
My point is wouldn’t you rather have people who have knowledge of gun to deal with rather then a uninformed person

There are no restrictions on what I can do for myself. Granted, I may run into some issues altering the exterior of my home, but there is no restriction what I can do inside. I can have a tractor trailer in my driveway, no restrictions, other than my neighbors taking issue. I can tend to basic medical needs as well, no restrictions. Requiring drugs, or surgery, is the only time I require a "certified" doctor.

I don't understand the highlighted point you are trying to make. Knowledge of a gun is a nebulous, undefined concept. Define knowledge, is it basic, or in depth? Who defines it?

 

[The German]

Requiring "certification" and "training" does not get you anywhere - there are about 37,000 motor vehicle related deaths each year, which btw. is higher than the 33,000 firearms related deaths (number probably high as taken from the anti-gunners "statistics"...). There are drivers license tests, annual vision tests, plenty of additional traffic laws regulating every little bit. Looking at the number of deaths each year, it does not look like the "certification/training" approach is really valid.

Also - back to the firearms topic. If somebody wants to commit suicide with a firearm, do you think it makes any difference if that person knows how to safely handle a firearm or store ammunition? Or that the gang member shooting another drug dealer really cares if carrying his gun in a holster vs his belt/pocket really cares about that? Or that the bank robber really cares to have a good backstop before shooting at the cops chasing him? Sorry, but that simply sounds like nonsense to me - whoever wants to know how to safely handle a firearm, how to shoot and even how to use a firearm for protection can find plenty of information online, in (even free) classes or can reach out to friends to educate them. However, whoever does not care today, will not care even if there was a requirement for training...

Edit - need to correct my numbers, per https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm , the number of firearms and traffic related deaths is about the same (which does not really change my point...):
All injury deaths

• Number of deaths: 231,991
• Deaths per 100,000 population: 71.8

All poisoning deaths

• Number of deaths: 68,995
• Deaths per 100,000 population: 21.4

Motor vehicle traffic deaths

• Number of deaths: 38,748
• Deaths per 100,000 population: 12.0

All firearm deaths

• Number of deaths: 38,658
• Deaths per 100,000 population: 12.0

 

[ckaberna]

A firearm safety certificate should be a requirement young or old no matter what. Does not matter who we are we need to no how to handle a firearm. There is a lot of people out there that don't realize what they have in there passion and what it is capable of . . Most would not have a problem with taking a class. Safety first .

So what if it’s mandatory to have passed a thourough medical exam and have a spotless past medical/background history in order to receive this “safety certificate “ ever been prescribed anti depressants, you may not qualify to own a firearm
Don’t have 20/20 vision? May not qualify....ever been to a AA meeting? May not qualify
Over 65? May not qualify? Ever been arrested? May not qualify......
the list goes on and on...who do you think is going to make the rules? Diane, Nancy, Lucy????..