Nat'l Firearms Background Check Law Intro
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Years back we had to take driving education before we got a license
That worked it was part of school
We have to have hunter safety to get a license to hunt in most states
Why should we all have to have a gun safety to buy or own a gun
I’m almost 80 and I would have to take it also
I don’t have a problem with it
But also if someone has a gun
Without a card they should
Be changed with a gun related change and be punished severely
Guess that is too simple to work
That worked it was part of school
We have to have hunter safety to get a license to hunt in most states
Why should we all have to have a gun safety to buy or own a gun
I’m almost 80 and I would have to take it also
I don’t have a problem with it
But also if someone has a gun
Without a card they should
Be changed with a gun related change and be punished severely
Guess that is too simple to work
Driving is defined as a privilege.
Hunting is arguably a privilege.
Owning a firearm, at least according to the US Constitution, is a right.
bobinpa
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Help me understand... What problem is your idea fixing?
Right now if I want to buy a rifle from a friend, I buy it. No problem...
If I want to sell him a rifle, I sell it. No problem...
They want to institute a universal background check because they have a problem and that is that they don't completely know what we have, which is their problem and I don't see the need to fix that one.
As I said before, if it were about safety, they could use the laws on the books now.
I had a two time convicted felon steal an AR last year that is probably south of the border in the cartel’s hands. The convicted felon was caught but didn’t have the weapon on him. He plead guilty to the theft of the weapon and many other things that were stolen from neighbors. He also tried to evade law inforcement in a high speed chase and was caught. He recieved a life sentence for the high speed chase...99 yrs for the theft of my weapon and 23 yrs for burglary of a habitation. Laws do work when they are inforced. The only thing now he will be stealing is maybe an extra piece of chicken!
If you have anything to do with a gun club you would understand why gun training sho be required before anyone should have a gun
I assume yo haven’t been involved in a gu club
The reason I feel that people should have
To have a class to own a gun is for safety
We have many people come to the rang and they have no idea That guns can kill 2 or more away
One shot or ricochet Can kill miles away
We had a wind sock on the side berm
The pole holding it had holes in it
Wher did
The rest of the bullets go
We see all the crazy things that other do on u tube .
Our gun club is in jeopardy of having to close because of stupid people
That is the reas I said
Everyone should have to have a class on safety before owning a gun including me
bobinpa
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Actually I am very involved in a club but I still don't know why you think it is a good idea to restrict people who do have common sense because some people don't. If someone accidentally kills someone else because they didn't know how to use the gun they just bought, they should be hanged. Once you hang a few, people will start to understand that it is their responsibility to educate themselves and NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO HOLD THEIR HAND!
savagedasher I agree with you 100 % that is the reason we have a schools every year, at our club and are trying to educate people that are new to the sport. I have had discussions with people about guns that don't have a clue what they are doing. So any time I can take a new shooter under my wing I feel this is one of the best ways to help people understand the right and the wrong way to do things. But as for background checks they are only for the honest people and making more money for you wonderful government.
Joe Salt
Joe Salt
Wouldn’t it possibly stop Someone from from doing stupid things with a gun
I almost 80 and I would support a clas provided by our government
for responsibility of owning a gun
Just as hunter safety course is to get a hunting license
This bill is not about safety, it's control, we already have NICS checks, internet sales covered too, ship to FFL< you may be able ship to individuals instate in places. I personally have never understood gun show sales, why would an individual sell his personal firearms in a public venue and not do a transfer.
I'll sell a gun to someone I know and trust w/o doing a 4073 transfer. If I do not know you, we are doing the paperwork, and I will keep track of the FFL holder who did it.
Call me different, anti, whatever you will. I've always said, there are 4 gov agencies I do not want on my doorstep, BATF, FBI, Homeland Security, and the IRS
I'll sell a gun to someone I know and trust w/o doing a 4073 transfer. If I do not know you, we are doing the paperwork, and I will keep track of the FFL holder who did it.
Call me different, anti, whatever you will. I've always said, there are 4 gov agencies I do not want on my doorstep, BATF, FBI, Homeland Security, and the IRS
We are addressing this at the range level with signage, bay design/designation and other improvements. We are also looking at ways to give a safety/use card to users of the range. This isn't a national or government issue. Folks should be free to shoot themselves on BLM land I guess...
If it wasn’t a national crisis why would be brought up time and time again
Fix it and then it will stop
New Years night a neighbor had a bullet hit his car
Tell me the person was a responsible
Gun owner
bobinpa
Gold $$ Contributor
You're missing the point..... No that person was not a responsible gun owner. He should be prosecuted. But why would you want the government to put more restrictions on gun ownership???? I don't. I feel gun owner responsibility should be on the gun owner.
It's not gutless Dale, it's more the fact we fail to organize, too many factions of us.
People of notoriety formulate an idea, people who think in terms of group mentality(followers) jump on board w/o a realization of future ramifications. Yes, as a whole, they are 5 times more organized than us. Not because they are smarter, they feel safer in a group, where we are safe by our selves. A large part is rural vs metropolitan, simple geographics.
Some how I think your missing the point
Wouldn’t it be better to give a little to get a lot
I as a
Gun owner. Know many people have guns that are not responsible
Wouldn’t a education course make sense
If a person has that they shouldn’t have to go through the background check
It could be the first time you have to and every so many years have the criminal side renewal
Like a driver license
bobinpa
Gold $$ Contributor
I respectfully disagree.....
Educating people makes a ton of sense. Making it mandatory only restricts those that don't need it. Many of us grew up around guns. My dad taught me so I didn't need a government mandated class to buy a gun.
In my opinion, irresponsible gun owners should be punished based on their level of irresponsibility. If we enforced tougher penalties, people may wake up and start taking their responsibility more seriously. Maybe people would get educated themselves before they buy a gun. At the very least, they make responsible gun owners look bad. There are plenty of ways out there for "new" gun owners to get educated but it doesn't have to be mandated by the government.
Lastly, it seems like you are under the misconception that this is a give and take situation with the government. It seems that you think they would do away with background checks in lieu of a mandated class, but I highly doubt they would. You gave the idea of renewing the criminal side every couple of years.... with that logic, I could take the class today, commit a crime next week and go for a years or two buying guns without a background check. As I said, I doubt they would allow that. They never rescind a law to make way for a new one, they just make more laws.
In closing, my basic point is that the government has their hand in too many things now as it is. Law abiding people are treated like criminals regularly just because they want to exercise their rights as it is. Why in the world would any law abiding citizen want to be treated like a child by the government? Why would we want to have to ask for permission to exercise our rights? If they are going to treat us all like children that need their guidance, why don't they just punish the bad kids and leave the good kids alone?
Have a good day sir.
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