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Nat'l Firearms Background Check Law Intro

Question to FFL holders. When you do a NICS check, you check handgun or long gun and no serial numbers or caliber(discription) are entered????? So, the feds only know if you bought a long gun or hand gun????? Now, it has been my understanding that all this information is purged after a ???? time(any idea what the time is) Am I correct?

However, with computer ease of storing information, I doubt highly if the information is ever completely purged, but the only info they have is your name and address, etc, etc., no serial numbers, calibers, just long gun or hand gun? Do I understand correctly????

Bill

The information may be purged from the BATF records but they can still trace a firearm via dealer records which are never destroyed. I have to keep the paper 4473 as long as I am in business. When I close my business I have the option of sending all the 4473's to the BATF for their safekeeping.
 
Eventually you will have to go thru an FFL to pass one down to your grandchildren. It’s as important now as it ever has been to become a member of an organization that fights for our second amendment rights. We also need to call our elected officials and let them know were we stand. If their beliefs don’t aligne with yours then vote them out!
 
There's no such thing as a "Guns Show Loophole". Why do folks even bother to mention it? Try to buy a gun at a Gun Show WITHOUT going thru a background check and see how far you get? Don't know or ever heard of anyone able to buy a gun INSIDE the show without going thru an FFL .:rolleyes: Buying in the parking lot,(?) BIG DIFFERENCE!!;)
Well it is allowed in Florida . All but a few counties , west Palm bch , bro ward , Miami dade , etc .
In west palm all you need is a concealed carry permit , no paper work if you buy from a private individual set up at the show . And the private sales person only needs to visually see your permit , no record keeping is required , so do most don't .
 
In South Carolina private sales are not regulated. Gun show, parking lot, whatever. The only self regulation would be not to sell a pistol to one under 21, and not to sell to a known felon.

And to CYA, with a bill of sale or pic of the DL.
 
It's even easier in Alabama. A private collector rents a table at the gun show. He is not a FFL holder, just a private collector. He can sell to anyone without a background check or even without any type of ID. Not saying it's right or wrong. Just saying that is the way it is. I have bought at gun shows and I always insist on a bill of sale that includes the sellers name, address, DL number.
 
Seems to me now that I've thought about it a minute, that if background checks are required universally, then local law enforcement agencies ought to do it. At say $10 a pop, with the money going to buy vests and equipment.

Win Win
 
Guys, not for nothing, this is about the. 6th time the Dems try to float this.....DOA, Zero chance it even gets a vote in the senate.
 
Seems to me now that I've thought about it a minute, that if background checks are required universally, then local law enforcement agencies ought to do it. At say $10 a pop, with the money going to buy vests and equipment.

Win Win
That is exactly what is happening in the state of Alabama. You go to your County Sheriff and pay $30 for a background check. If you pass the check (which takes about 15 minutes) you are issued a 5 year concealed carry permit. You can also apply on line and pay with a credit card and your permit will be mailed to you. The Sheriff can use these funds for any purpose they desire. It is my understanding that the funds collected in my county are used to subsidize meals for the county jail.

The big plus to this is that you do not need a background check each time you purchase a firearm. The FFL makes a copy of your drivers license and your CC permit and you are good to go. No FBI background check. You do complete a 4473 for the FFL's file.
 
Seems to me now that I've thought about it a minute, that if background checks are required universally, then local law enforcement agencies ought to do it. At say $10 a pop, with the money going to buy vests and equipment.

Win Win

So you want to give a relative a shotgun for a weekend hunt, you'll go to the cop shop- twice, pay them...twice, once for the lend, and once for the return...all for the 'privilege' of lending someone a gun ...and that's a 'win'?

Further, the only way to prove/ disprove a check has been done is a national registry...another 'win'?
 
It really doesn't matter. They will keep pushing until something goes through and we will do nothing, a precedent will be set, then they will push more. Meanwhile, we are painted as "right wing radicals" and dangerous, which gives them even more reason to push. They're back in the house already.
 
Seems to me now that I've thought about it a minute, that if background checks are required universally, then local law enforcement agencies ought to do it. At say $10 a pop, with the money going to buy vests and equipment.

Win Win

Sorry, but where is the win at all?????
 
In my estimation there are three types of people. Those that cannot protect themselves. Victims. Those that can defend themselves. I love it when victims like polosi starts ranting gun control and all that but has armed security everywhere she goes even at home. However we do have another ally that we don't take into account much YET. Actually we have two. First we have a President that is not a politician and owes no one and he has upended the liberal Supreme Court. He will also more than likely appoint at least one more as I know ones liberals health is failing at a rapid rate. We still have a Republican Senate. I as we all worry because we've witnessed their tactics and we know that it is all really about control and power. That's why the liberals despise us so. I think at least in the near term we'll be o k. Side note I am hoping they learn a valuable lesson on this wall issue. I think their bloated sense of who they are and how much power they have has finally met it's match. Just saying.
 
This is how I see it..... When or if they ever pass this and we have to do a background check for every gun transferred, "they" will also dictate what information is included to do the background check. Nobody should be foolish enough to think that this will be just like a 4473 form OR ANYTHING THAT IS BEING DONE NOW. I would imagine that they will require serial numbers and anything else they can think of.... After a few years of that, they will basically have the gun registry they always wanted and they will also have a better idea of who has what. Then they will likely pass an annual tax on your firearms, which they have been talking about for years. Then people won't want to pay the tax and won't see the point in owning 50 guns that they really don't use, just to pay more taxes. This along with everything else that is horrible about this idea will de-value the guns that you keep because they will cost more to own. This is all just a backdoor scheme to have less guns in their perfect little world.
 
This is how I see it..... When or if they ever pass this and we have to do a background check for every gun transferred, "they" will also dictate what information is included to do the background check. Nobody should be foolish enough to think that this will be just like a 4473 form OR ANYTHING THAT IS BEING DONE NOW. I would imagine that they will require serial numbers and anything else they can think of.... After a few years of that, they will basically have the gun registry they always wanted and they will also have a better idea of who has what. Then they will likely pass an annual tax on your firearms, which they have been talking about for years. Then people won't want to pay the tax and won't see the point in owning 50 guns that they really don't use, just to pay more taxes. This along with everything else that is horrible about this idea will de-value the guns that you keep because they will cost more to own. This is all just a backdoor scheme to have less guns in their perfect little world.

It's actually worse than that.
There is no way to enforce universal background checks without knowing who the previous owner was, and who the current owner is. They will demand a drop dead date for registrations, or make it a crime for any unregistered guns....

Meanwhile, in another part of town, stolen pistols will continued to be traded for bags of weed...gang bangers won't be charged with gun crimes, and on, and on,and on...

I just came from my state's biggest gun rights group's annual meeting/ legislative planning session. Things being kicked around by the antis - besides the usual magazine bans, rifle bans, elimination of shall issue carry permits - include annual security inspections - at gun owner's expense, ammo purchase limitations(and through a FFL)
 
brazilians CAN'T have guns. have a look at the table.
I was born there and lived there for a while. Thanks God (and me) I live in a decent
country now where AR15's don't have to be registered and there's no gun violence.

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So you want to give a relative a shotgun for a weekend hunt, you'll go to the cop shop- twice, pay them...twice, once for the lend, and once for the return...all for the 'privilege' of lending someone a gun ...and that's a 'win'?

Further, the only way to prove/ disprove a check has been done is a national registry...another 'win'?

I'm thinking a loaner is not a change in ownership.

My point.

Is that LEOs need vests and equipment, and are always struggling for budget money. Win win is twofold, low cost for a check and money to support the front line troops that are trying to protect and serve.
 
I'm thinking a loaner is not a change in ownership.

My point.

Is that LEOs need vests and equipment, and are always struggling for budget money. Win win is twofold, low cost for a check and money to support the front line troops that are trying to protect and serve.
Sounds like you have already rolled over,may as well hand yours in ...and if want cops to take my money personally...I don't think so.
 
There's no such thing as a "Guns Show Loophole". Why do folks even bother to mention it? Try to buy a gun at a Gun Show WITHOUT going thru a background check and see how far you get? Don't know or ever heard of anyone able to buy a gun INSIDE the show without going thru an FFL .:rolleyes: Buying in the parking lot,(?) BIG DIFFERENCE!!;)

Have you lived anywhere other than California?

I've been to hundreds of gun shows and yard/estate sales in many different Statees, including New York (prior to the Safe Act) and bought many a firearm, including pistols from non-licensed sellers. Purchases like this were and still are legal in many States and under Federal Law, this list of Gun Laws by States breaks it down.

https://www.gunstocarry.com/gun-laws-state/#ca2
 

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