Name this cartridge

[Thunder Struck]

I found this cartridge when going through some .308
The cartridge is same size as the 308 but mouth is .358 with removable primer.
I am trying to get a better pics.


Name this cartridge

 

[ShootDots]

The picture is not that revealing>>>BUT your written description sounds like a .358 Winchester. The .358 is in the 308 family of cartridges>>>>it is nothing more than the 308 necked up... There was also A LONG WHILE ago, a 35Remngton>>>close to the .358 but not quite there. Better pic might help..

 

[CatShooter]

There was also A LONG WHILE ago, a 35Remngton>>>

It was not a long time ago - the 35 Remington is a current cartridge that rifles are currently made for.

 

[ShootDots]

Yes Sir>>>BUT when was the last time you saw one? I honestly don't think I have ever seen someone with one.. But they say in places like the Adirondacks they still use'em..

 

[CatShooter]

Yes Sir>>>BUT when was the last time you saw one? I honestly don't think I have ever seen someone with one.. But they say in places like the Adirondacks they still use'em..

Maybe not in Texas, but Texas is not the whole world (regardless of what Texans think )

Actually, they are very common. Any decent sized gun shop in half the country will have a few every fall. Our local Cabela's has 5 or 6.

I bought one last year for feral piggies.

 

[ShootDots]

"They" say it is considerably more potent than a 30-30... I guess simply because it displaces more tissue upon expansion.. It is still a good cartridge>>>just like the "old" .300 Savage is still a good cartridge...

 

[CatShooter]

"They" say it is considerably more potent than a 30-30... I guess simply because it displaces more tissue upon expansion.. It is still a good cartridge>>>just like the "old" .300 Savage is still a good cartridge...

No.... it is because it has a lot of bone braking crush. And because it function through lever guns very fast and reliably.

There are a lot of good cartridges than have been around for a while - they have been around for a long time because they are good at what they do. There are a hellova lot more 35 Rems and 30-30 in current use than there are 300 WSM and WSSM's... and it will stay that way.

 

[BoydAllen]

From the picture, I would say what you have there is an adapter to shoot a pistol round in a rifle. What does the headstamp on the smaller piece of brass on the right say?

 

[dkhunt14]

There are a lot of good cartridges than have been around for a while - they have been around for a long time because they are good at what they do. There are a hellova lot more 35 Rems and 30-30 in current use than there are 300 WSM and WSSM's... and it will stay that way.

I think they made millions of Model T'S but that doesn't mean everybody is driving one.

 

[CatShooter]

There are a lot of good cartridges than have been around for a while - they have been around for a long time because they are good at what they do. There are a hellova lot more 35 Rems and 30-30 in current use than there are 300 WSM and WSSM's... and it will stay that way.

I think they made millions of Model T'S but that doesn't mean everybody is driving one.

That's a pretty dumb comparison - you can buy a brand new Marlin in 35 Remington right now. While, you might not own or shoot one, it IS a common rifle.

Please do tell me where you can find a brand new Model ""T" Ford, "right now".

And the point of your really dumb comment was... ??

 

[mr45man]

From the picture, I would say what you have there is an adapter to shoot a pistol round in a rifle. What does the headstamp on the smaller piece of brass on the right say?

That's what i thought
And i got rid of my 30-30 and 35 rem about 35 years ago.
One shot one kill now, not blazing away into the forest
John H.

 

[Valar]

I would shoot one. Pops in grumpy old Men , said it best " Life is all about the experiences dammit" I still enjoy shooting my model 94 30-30 and I would enjoy this cartrage as well. I love all my firearms. I shoot a few more than others, but once a year I shoot them all at least.

 

[vtmarmot]

I wonder if the item in the picture is an adapter for shooting the .30 M1 carbine cartridge in a .308?

 

[ShootDots]

If I am not mistaken (and I may be) I believe the .358Win was the "answer" to Remington's "35".. I believe they did it to have a more "potent" close / medium range deer cartridge. The 358Win, with the right bullets could take Elk at close range.. However, the .358Win kind of disappeared, where the .35Remington has staying power.. All those "older" cartridges that are still in use, are so because they still work well for their intended purpose. Having said that, in Texas, generally speaking, we use "stand guns" that are basically "varmint" rifles turned into deer calibers. Hence the "Sendero" >>>which is called that because it was designed to shoot a long way off on a South Texas sendero..

 

[CatShooter]

Hence the "Sendero" >>>which is called that because it was designed to shoot a long way off on a South Texas sendero..

And I have a Sendero-II in 264 WM. Born in FT. Worth and my family had a cattle spread outside of Shiro, TX .

 

[ShootDots]

I had a "Pre-64" Win Mod 70 in .264... It was a phenomenal cartridge! It was the one cartridge that actually LOOKED like it could travel as fast as the claims for it were back then! I was VERY young when I had it and I traded it off for something else>>>no doubt I was "significantly less sophisticated" in firearms than I am now.. I am quite sure I made a VERY BAD trade!! LOL!! Just as stupid of a trade, I am sure, as when I traded a .300 Weatherby (German Descent Production) for a Remington 1100 12ga w/ 30" Full Choke barrel! Yikes!! Why am I even admitting such shortsightedness!! Hehehehe....

By the way Cat>>>where is Shiro?

 

[CatShooter]

I had a "Pre-64" Win Mod 70 in .264... It was a phenomenal cartridge! It was the one cartridge that actually LOOKED like it could travel as fast as the claims for it were back then! I was VERY young when I had it and I traded it off for something else>>>no doubt I was "significantly less sophisticated" in firearms than I am now.. I am quite sure I made a VERY BAD trade!! LOL!! Just as stupid of a trade, I am sure, as when I traded a .300 Weatherby (German Descent Production) for a Remington 1100 12ga w/ 30" Full Choke barrel! Yikes!! Why am I even admitting such shortsightedness!! Hehehehe....

By the way Cat>>>where is Shiro?

I had one of those M-70 264's - they called it the "Westerner". It was so much fun to shoot, that I shot the barrel out of it bustin' long range rocks.

Shiro is a little bit of a nothin' town... if you drew a line between Waco and Houston, and another line between between College Station and Huntsville, the intersection would be right about at the town post office.

If you had an emergency meeting of the town people and the local ranchers, I think you could hold it in a pole barn. When I was last there in the 70's, there were hitching posts on main street, town hall was an old dynamite shack on the edge of town - and the feed store, and post office were one and the same.

Even then, the town streets were over grown with weeds and stray trees (they just grew anywhere they wanted).

Our place was originally a land grant from the King of Spain when Texas belonged to Mexico, and was 5 leagues of land (about 22,000 acres). The civil war and the carpet baggers ate up a lot of it, and taxes kept chewing away at it until we lost it in the 80's to 50% estate taxes.

http://www.shirotexas.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiro,_Texas

 

[ShootDots]

Cat, I am very sorry to hear that your family lost that tract of land! 22K worth of acreage today, even in a small town like that, would still add sumptuously to your retirement!

"My Westerner" had a 26" Stainless Steel barrel from the factory. I was not into reloading then (I was 19 years old) and the rifle did not shoot all that well with factory ammo.. I remember shooting 100gr PSP bullets... I also remember that Browning>>that's right BROWNING<< ammo was the most accurate and was still lacking... I may have had a shot out barrel, as I bought the rifle used. I did not get into reloading until I was 20 and had that .300WM.. That rifle I bought new! I bought almost all my rifles from a place called "G and R Tackle".. They dealt mostly in very nice used rifles. This Weatherby was rather old when I bought it new! If memory serves me correctly, and I am not sure if it is, I paid $299.00...

 

[trpcboy]

All,
Years ago I worked for McDonnell Douglas and we made the Smaw missile (bunker buster). We had a spotting round that was used with the main round. It was a 9mm tracer round in a 308 case. Inside the 308 case was a 22 Hornet blank. When fired the 22 Hornet would pop out and release the bolt. The gunner would fire about 2 or 3 spotting rounds to give him the hit point of the missile then let the main round go. The spotting round had the same ballistics as the missile. I have fired 1000s of these rounds.

john

 

[ShootDots]

I have always wanted to fire tracer rounds in the pitch black of night! I thought they were awesome! You can consider yourself fortunate!!