Found this cartridge when going through some .308 brass. Top is .308
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Looks like someone made an adaptor out of a 358 Win case in order to use a pistol case to hold a lighter charge.
Looks like someone made an adaptor out of a 358 Win case in order to use a pistol case to hold a lighter charge.
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No head stamp, the mouth is .358 and the size of cartridge is same as .308.
The primer and primer pocket are strange. It's like a two part cartridge.
I had to drive primer out and I have never seen one like this.
Most likely it's some kind of military round as it was in same box as older lake city match.
Hope to have more picks in a few days.
No head stamp, the mouth is .358 and the size of cartridge is same as .308.
The primer and primer pocket are strange. It's like a two part cartridge.
I had to drive primer out and I have never seen one like this.
Most likely it's some kind of military round as it was in same box as older lake city match.
Hope to have more picks in a few days.
CatShooter
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I think you are right.
flatlander said:
I think you are right.
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Well, I've seen advertisements for cartridge adaptors that will allow the use of 22RF ammo in .22 cal CF rifles, and am pretty sure I've read about such adaptors for bigger ctgs. But the case in the picture certainly isn't a 308 - it looks more like a .358 Win. The smaller case looks a lot like a 30 carbine - maybe someone was experimenting with cast lead bullets in a 358, and modified a 358 casehead to accept a 30 carbine case as a method of getting uniform ignition of a lighter powder charge? Don't know what would keep the carbine case from expanding too much to ever get it out of the modified 358 case if that was done, but unless someone else comes up with a better explanation??? Notice how the carbine case (if that's what it is) has what looks like soot/carbon all over it? Like it could look if this sort of application were attempted.
Well, I've seen advertisements for cartridge adaptors that will allow the use of 22RF ammo in .22 cal CF rifles, and am pretty sure I've read about such adaptors for bigger ctgs. But the case in the picture certainly isn't a 308 - it looks more like a .358 Win. The smaller case looks a lot like a 30 carbine - maybe someone was experimenting with cast lead bullets in a 358, and modified a 358 casehead to accept a 30 carbine case as a method of getting uniform ignition of a lighter powder charge? Don't know what would keep the carbine case from expanding too much to ever get it out of the modified 358 case if that was done, but unless someone else comes up with a better explanation??? Notice how the carbine case (if that's what it is) has what looks like soot/carbon all over it? Like it could look if this sort of application were attempted.
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All,
9 x 51mm SMAW (Shoulder Launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon)
Specimen and photos courtesy of Paul Smith
This is the training/spotting cartridge used with the 83 mm SMAW rocket launcher deployed by the U. S. Marine Corps beginning in 1984. The rocket launcher is based on the Israeli B-300 system. A British designed 9mm spotting rifle is mounted on the right side of the launcher.
The rocket launcher is reusable and each rocket comes in a disposable sealed tube which is affixed to the launcher. There are different 83mm high explosive rockets which include anti-armor (HEAA) and a dual purpose anti-fortification (HEDP) rounds.
The 9mm rifle is used for for spotting to increase the first round hit probability with the rocket round, and for use in training. The British origin of the spotting rifle accounts for the British headstamp (RG for Radway Green) on the round shown below. The round illustrated is only a tracer loading. A spotter-tracer loading is also made.
The round consists of a necked-up 7.62 x 51 case fitted with a lead projectile, gilding metal cap and a trace cannister at the rear. The parent case has been modified to accept a .22 Hornet case which holds the powder charge and is crimped and sealed..
The only headstamp which is legible is the one on the .22 Hornet case which is: RG 83.
The cases we used were made by Bell Cartridge.
I used this cartridge when I worked for McDonnell Douglas.
http://cartridgecollectors.org/cmo/cmo05oct.htm
john
All,
9 x 51mm SMAW (Shoulder Launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon)
Specimen and photos courtesy of Paul Smith
This is the training/spotting cartridge used with the 83 mm SMAW rocket launcher deployed by the U. S. Marine Corps beginning in 1984. The rocket launcher is based on the Israeli B-300 system. A British designed 9mm spotting rifle is mounted on the right side of the launcher.
The rocket launcher is reusable and each rocket comes in a disposable sealed tube which is affixed to the launcher. There are different 83mm high explosive rockets which include anti-armor (HEAA) and a dual purpose anti-fortification (HEDP) rounds.
The 9mm rifle is used for for spotting to increase the first round hit probability with the rocket round, and for use in training. The British origin of the spotting rifle accounts for the British headstamp (RG for Radway Green) on the round shown below. The round illustrated is only a tracer loading. A spotter-tracer loading is also made.
The round consists of a necked-up 7.62 x 51 case fitted with a lead projectile, gilding metal cap and a trace cannister at the rear. The parent case has been modified to accept a .22 Hornet case which holds the powder charge and is crimped and sealed..
The only headstamp which is legible is the one on the .22 Hornet case which is: RG 83.
The cases we used were made by Bell Cartridge.
I used this cartridge when I worked for McDonnell Douglas.
http://cartridgecollectors.org/cmo/cmo05oct.htm
john
There was some folks that thought the powder column in the case would be more efficient if the burn started near the top of the column instead of the bottom. They tried a small tube over the primer that extended up the center of the case. This isn't it, but it did remind me off their efforts. Made sense on paper...
JeffG, madder,
I told you what the cartridge is, I worked with this cartridge for about 2 years while employed by McDonnell Douglas in Titusville, Fl. I did everything from recoil to velocity test. We were in production with the Smaw Missile for about 2 years for the U. S. Marine Corps. I worked in the Test Engineering R&D department. Click on the address in my post.
john
Mims, Fl
I told you what the cartridge is, I worked with this cartridge for about 2 years while employed by McDonnell Douglas in Titusville, Fl. I did everything from recoil to velocity test. We were in production with the Smaw Missile for about 2 years for the U. S. Marine Corps. I worked in the Test Engineering R&D department. Click on the address in my post.
john
Mims, Fl
JeffG, madder,
I told you what the cartridge is, I worked with this cartridge for about 2 years while employed by McDonnell Douglas in Titusville, Fl. I did everything from recoil to velocity test. We were in production with the Smaw Missile for about 2 years for the U. S. Marine Corps. I worked in the Test Engineering R&D department. Click on the address in my post.
john
Mims, Fl
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Yes I did read your post, and at the end of mind I stated that it reminded me of another project and that I knew it wasn't...sorry for the confusion.
I told you what the cartridge is, I worked with this cartridge for about 2 years while employed by McDonnell Douglas in Titusville, Fl. I did everything from recoil to velocity test. We were in production with the Smaw Missile for about 2 years for the U. S. Marine Corps. I worked in the Test Engineering R&D department. Click on the address in my post.
john
Mims, Fl
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Yes I did read your post, and at the end of mind I stated that it reminded me of another project and that I knew it wasn't...sorry for the confusion.
Thanks guys, kind of what i thought.
ed
ed
Now that we know what this cartridge is, does anyone want it. I have one in good shape.
Ed
Ed
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