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My theory about internet gun theory

garandman

Bolt Gun Bodacious
This is just my theory. The disclamer below applies.

1. The only way to really know what will work in your gun is to shoot your gun. Those of us who been in this a while (granted, some far longer and deeper than me) have spent alot of time and money working thru the very problem we are reading about on the internet. When we finally fix the problem answer the question for ourselves, we can tend to get pretty dogmatic about our experience / opinion. But in the real world, even in a gun made by the exact same manufacturer as ours, using the exact same powder, bullet manufacturer, scope, rings, etc at the exact same temparture and humidity leave at least a dozen other variables that may cause a diferent outcome for others. For instance, the fact that 6.5 CM, using H4350 powder and a 14x grain bullet works 85% of the time, doesn't mean its gonna work 100% of the time. And if we run into someone in that 15% anomaly, it doesn't mean we are a genius and they are an idiot we should talk down to. The variables referenced above mean the only way to know what works in your gun is to shoot it in your gun. There really are very few "universals" in the gun world.

2. Whatever you are 100 % sure is the correct answer to a persons questions / situation, you can be pretty sure someone, somewhere else told them the exact opposite. Don't take it personally if they don't accept your word like Gospel. Likely their own experience or someone else who they trust has a compeltely different experience than you.

3. Careful reading 2- 3 times of a persons scenario is a really good idea. Following that up with honest, respectful, informtion seeking questions rather than just jumping into assuming the place of their internet teacher is a good idea. Likely the OP left out some important details that would be helpful in diagnosing the problem.




Lots more could be said. Add your internet gun theory.
 
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A good post. If I may I would like to add a bit. If your seeking advice, let us know where your coming from. If it's shooting varmints and your happy will .5 groups it can have an impact on the answer vs. your hoping to shoot a 400 yard deer, a 1 inch gun is adeaquate. What is your equipment. If your trying to click and shoot various distances with a 100.00 36x scope, it might not be your bullet brand that is the problem. If you take advice and it fixes your problem, put a post on letting us know you received good advice and it worked. If your giving advice and you have done it YOURSELF, word it that way. If a guy you work with told you he heard it......let us know it is NOT first hand knowledge. A great group for one discipline may be very inadequate for another. If you want a good answer it is to your advantage to start with good information.
 
If you post a thread seeking advice or ideas; be open to advice and ideas. Don't just post looking for someone to echo your thoughts.

Absolutely. Don't post a topic presenting an unsolved problem, then act shocked ppl try to help solve the problem. Listen carefully. Think critically. Say "thank you" to helpful posts.

Of course, this works best when the reply "packages" their advice properly.

Manufacturers spend hundred of billions of dollars figgering out how to present their product in a winsome way so ppl will buy it.

If we want ppl to "buy" our advice....

1. Don't be condecending and aggressive with your replies.
2. Acknowledge whatever the OP said that is correct, don't just attack what you think is erronous or needing correcting.
3. "Package" your advice with words like "I could be wrong" or "In my admittedly limited experience..." (well, unless you actually do know everything and have had every conceivable experience....)
4. Re-read your reply, seeking to elminate any hostility or condescension.
5. Check for "tone." Imagine yourself face-to-face in the same room with the indivdual your are replying to. Imagine yourself talking to a friend whom you do not wish to insult or alienate.
6. Determine your real objective: (1) to show off how smart you are (2) to show how dumb the other person is, or (3) to present real help to a brother / sister in arms, wanting to actually be heard, and given the real shared enemy of the anti-gunners.
 
1. If a test is repeatable its results are valid. If its not repeatable its results are not valid.

2. If you ask a question and actually want the correct answer be prepared to answer questions.

3. If you say your 28" bartlein mtu 6bra can't shoot a 105 berger hybrid with lapua brass, H4895, and cci 450 primers be prepared to answer several questions.
 
1. If a test is repeatable its results are valid. If its not repeatable its results are not valid.

2. If you ask a question and actually want the correct answer be prepared to answer questions.

3. If you say your 28" bartlein mtu 6bra can't shoot a 105 berger hybrid with lapua brass, H4895, and cci 450 primers be prepared to answer several questions.
The depth of experience and knowledge in this forum can be surprising at times. I've done it myself...asked a question then got replies that went super deep, asked alot of questions, maybe even more than I had time to answer at the moment.
 
Bad example on the part of the OP. Everyone knows that you can toss a beer can into the action of a 6.5 CM and it'll shoot sub-MOA. My 6.5 shoots beer cans into 1/4 MOA groups all day long. My 6BRA prefers sugar free pop cans. :)

OK, seriously I don't worry about peoples sensitivities. I view them as a scab that needs a good picking.
 
It's my theory that AS was significantly more entertaining when F. Guffey roamed wild. That man could fix any shooters problem with a gauge or tool that you've never heard of. He wouldn't burden himself with taking the time to explain it in common terms; only pausing occasionally to masterfully condescend anyone who objected to his 'teachings'.

Even years after his departure I still enjoy going back and reading old posts and the subsequent reactions. My latest theory is that he was an entertaining mix of a schizophrenic, retail gun counter master-reloader, literary genius, and angry old man. I genuinely miss him.

I theorize that period was the golden age of entertainment here on AS.
 
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My theory, proven many times, is that some people in this game will, even after many failures, try and reinvent the wheel. These are the same ones that ask a question with as little information as possible to resolve their issue, example: "I have a 6BR that I keep getting flyers. What could be the problem".
 
This forum is populated by National Champions, World Champions, High Masters, President 100's, Distinguished Riflemen, even a few that really haven't won anything but have been reloading since Noah came over on the Mayflower. Many of them no longer post opinions, probably because they tired of being told they didn't know what they were writing about. In the short 11 years or so I've been hanging out here, I've seen many knowledgeable shooters take to the sidelines because they were tired of having BS called with every post. Yeah, it is the internet.

I miss the Guffster.
 
This is a perfect example of one of the worst types of forum threads:

**Thread removed, because of reasons**

OP posts about 1/3rd of the information necessary for anyone to give him input. When someone finally deciphers what he is actually looking for and makes a suggestion, he never returns.

When you combine this with the typical internet personas that people portray(which would likely get you punched right in the mouth if it was in person), I'm surprised that one went as smoothly as it did.

This forum is easily the best mannered one I've ever been on. I think it's due to the fact that many of us travel the country to shoot matches and we have actually(gasp!) met each other.
 
This forum is easily the best mannered one I've ever been on. I think it's due to the fact that many of us travel the country to shoot matches and we have actually(gasp!) met each other.

Honestly this place becomes infinitely easier to navigate, and way more valuable once you've met half the folks posting (or at the very least know who they are in 'real life').
 
I thought I knew a lot before coming here. Then I met guys who were doing what I was trying to do and they were doing it better, or more refined, or had invented it. So I try to stay in my lane, speak only to what I know (groundhog shooting in the east) and a bit of huntin/shootin reloading. i listen carefully when people talk SR BR and my eyes cross and my brain fades when they start talking PRS...I can't imagine running, climbing, bending AND shooting anymore! I only run to the bathroom, bend to pick up my socks and climb into bed!

But it sure is informative to listen to ya'll
 
It's my theory that AS was infinitely more entertaining whenever F. Guffey roamed wild. That man could fix any new shooters problem with a gauge or tool nobody had ever heard of. He wouldn't burden himself by taking the time to explain it in real terms; only to condescend those for not knowing what he's talking about.

I theorize that period was the entertainment golden age of AS.
Mike,
Don’t forget his illustrations and animations!…
Hahaha
I hated him and loved him , miss his posts yet don’t miss them!….

I see what everyone is saying on other forums I won’t mention but it’s also why I don’t frequent them.
I really don’t see bad behavior on AS a little but that’s to be expected in conversation and opinions!
Paul won’t allow it to get very out of hand, back in the day I’ve got pretty heated with guffy, cat shooter and several smarter than the rest of the world engineers!… Paul sent me a pm asking me to let it go, I did as I was asked or told . This is just to good of forum to ruin like so many others!…
Personally I feel like this is a second family almost I’ve made so many friends on here and gained so much knowledge over the years from its members.
Wayne
 
I couldn’t agree more. I rarely see anything out of the ordinary when it comes to small disagreements. I can remember when I first came to the site, Fuj was trying to help me understand something (If I remember right) and I told him he was wrong. What a dummy I was. I guess I’ve mellowed with age, but I LOVE this place and wouldn’t trade it for nothing. I learn something everyday. Thank all of you for your guidance, your information and the good jokes that y’all post!

Scott Y
 
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