Mixed team matches 2 FTR & 2 F OPEN

[ARIZONA_F_CLASS]

Mixed team matches 2 FTR & 2 F OPEN. What do you people think of that?? I heard a few people bring up the idea at the Arizona State Palma Championships. Because there weren't enough f-open or FTR shooters to make a couple of teams. But their were enough shooters to put together a couple of mixed teams.

 

[Keith Glasscock]

We have had matches with mixed teams here in Washington. Seemed to be fun, although I didn't shoot.

The format was:

2 Sling shooters (can't remember but I think one Palma and one Any/Any)
1 F/TR
1 F-Open

@ 600 yards

It was a local match, not registered.

 

[Jay Christopherson]

In my opinion, a mixed team should be allowed to shoot (for fun), but not eligible for awards.

 

[Erik Cortina]

In my opinion, a mixed team should be allowed to shoot (for fun), but not eligible for awards.

Au contraire, they can and should get awards for winning, however, their team classification will be F-Open if at least one F-Open shooter shoots on the team.

 

[TonyR]

We shot a mixed F-Open/F-T/R team in the last two America Matches and at the Creedmoor Cup in Ireland in 2011. These were 8 shooters per team half each. Why not 2+2 if that puts more people on the line and clubs want to give them prizes??

 

[Keith Glasscock]

I agree with Erik, F/TR rifles fit the rules for F-Open.

They are not as competitive at 1K, but recent improvements in F/TR are tightening the gap.

 

[Immike]

In my opinion, a mixed team should be allowed to shoot (for fun), but not eligible for awards.

Au contraire, they can and should get awards for winning, however, their team classification will be F-Open if at least one F-Open shooter shoots on the team.

Erik is absolutely right and I've used a FTR shooter twice in the past to complete a team. As far as Rockys idea, is a fun fix but I think 2 man teams would be a easier route to go with more participation. I think red castle is already doing this.

 

[ARIZONA_F_CLASS]

In my opinion, a mixed team should be allowed to shoot (for fun), but not eligible for awards.

Au contraire, they can and should get awards for winning, however, their team classification will be F-Open if at least one F-Open shooter shoots on the team.

Erik is absolutely right and I've used a FTR shooter twice in the past to complete a team. As far as Rockys idea, is a fun fix but I think 2 man teams would be a easier route to go with more participation. I think red castle is already doing this.

Mike it wasn't my idea. But I liked it. I think a mixed team would be a cool idea. Or even a 2 man team format. I think this would get more shooters on the firing line!!!

 

[Erik Cortina]

We do 2 man teams at the TSRA State Championships.

 

[Medic505]

Erik, you need to look at the program for TSRA LR for 2015. Four shooter team match this year. Why that changed I have no clue. It was hard enough to get teams shooting 2.

 

[Jay Christopherson]

In my opinion, a mixed team should be allowed to shoot (for fun), but not eligible for awards.

Au contraire, they can and should get awards for winning, however, their team classification will be F-Open if at least one F-Open shooter shoots on the team.

That would work too. I didn't consider that particular option.

 

[Ian]

Interesting. Do you see most two-person teams make use of a third, non-shooting coach, or just take turns coaching each other?

 

[Medic505]

I've shot two person team matches at Tulsa and Houston. We coached each other, other team scored and pulled and then we switched. It's a ton of fun.

 

[Medic505]

Rocky, you are absolutely correct about getting more teams to the firing line at smaller matches. Had this format been an option at Phoenix, I think we would have been able to shoot team.

 

[Erik Cortina]

Rocky, you are absolutely correct about getting more teams to the firing line at smaller matches. Had this format been an option at Phoenix, I think we would have been able to shoot team.

The problem is that 2 man teams can't set records. At big matches such as the Berger SW Nationals they need to do 4 man teams, for smaller matches, 2 man teams works good.

 

[Medic505]

Rocky, you are absolutely correct about getting more teams to the firing line at smaller matches. Had this format been an option at Phoenix, I think we would have been able to shoot team.

The problem is that 2 man teams can't set records. At big matches such as the Berger SW Nationals they need to do 4 man teams, for smaller matches, 2 man teams works good.

Very true Erik, had I had the choice of shooting or putting my official "Long Shots" bottle opener in play, I'd have 10 times rather shot. That's the only reason I drove that far to start with.

 

[ARIZONA_F_CLASS]

Rocky, you are absolutely correct about getting more teams to the firing line at smaller matches. Had this format been an option at Phoenix, I think we would have been able to shoot team.

The problem is that 2 man teams can't set records. At big matches such as the Berger SW Nationals they need to do 4 man teams, for smaller matches, 2 man teams works good.

Who's to say we can't ask the NRA to add a new 2 man team format? I know it would attract more shooters to do team matches.

 

[ARIZONA_F_CLASS]

Interesting. Do you see most two-person teams make use of a third, non-shooting coach, or just take turns coaching each other?

I think either way would be a good idea.

 

[ARIZONA_F_CLASS]

Rocky, you are absolutely correct about getting more teams to the firing line at smaller matches. Had this format been an option at Phoenix, I think we would have been able to shoot team.

Dean, I know we would have had a few teams. I wanted to shoot teams but there wasn't enough shooters for 2 four man teams to compete against each other.

 

[Erik Cortina]

Rocky, you are absolutely correct about getting more teams to the firing line at smaller matches. Had this format been an option at Phoenix, I think we would have been able to shoot team.

The problem is that 2 man teams can't set records. At big matches such as the Berger SW Nationals they need to do 4 man teams, for smaller matches, 2 man teams works good.

Who's to say we can't ask the NRA to add a new 2 man team format? I know it would attract more shooters to do team matches.

Ok Rocky, let's go there for a bit. Let's say the NRA approves a 2 man team match format.
What will happen to the 4 man team format?
Will you now have two separate award ceremonies at Nationals and Berger match?
What about squadding and pit rotation, does one member of the 2 man team shoot and then sit one out until pit rotates?
In two man teams, are you allowed to have a coach and a target puller? If so, you now have 4 members, so just shoot as a 4 man team. Also, in order to have a 2 man team competition, you need at least two teams, at which point you can now form a 4 man team.

The reason for 2 man teams is to solve a small attendance problem. If attendance is high, then have 4 man teams like we have now, but don't mix the two.