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MAGNETISCH

Well it's been about a year since the "revolution" at Manatee gun club. New leadership was going to lead to an improved and functional range. No more foot dragging.

It didn't happen. Advertised as a 1000 yard range, it is not, except for gongs. There are zero provisions for paper targets. The road has been closed to carts for 3 months. The 600 yard range is barely accessible as well. You will spend the better part of a shooting session getting there and back. The carts are way past a fixable state. The "roads" have not been smoothed out in years. From 100 yards to 300 is okay as long as you don't mind rummaging through multiple target stands to find one that will actually hold a target and stand up straight. As an aside, it costs extra to shoot at the gongs at 1000 yards. Why? Any discussion of approved matches at Manatee is silly. IT COULD BE A GREAT RANGE!!! Will it ever?
 
That's a shame. I've shot several times at Manatee with friends, mostly at 600yds or less. For us it's a 3 hour drive over from the east coast of South Florida. With the exception of the target frames, that wobble in the wind and often have difficulty holding up the backers, we've always enjoyed our time there. We did always take our own thick cardboard backers, which allowed us to staple/remove/staple our targets, without the need to fiddle with the tape which would often come off in the wind. Also, every time we've been there the golf carts were working fine. Some of the carts wouldn't go top speed anymore, but even at slower speeds, they still made the ride out to 600 a pleasure.

It really sounds like the deficiencies you listed are somewhat minor, with the exception of repairing/replacing the golf carts. Hopefully things will shape up there, because it really can be a nice range to visit.
 
Well it's been about a year since the "revolution" at Manatee gun club. New leadership was going to lead to an improved and functional range. No more foot dragging.

It didn't happen. Advertised as a 1000 yard range, it is not, except for gongs. There are zero provisions for paper targets. The road has been closed to carts for 3 months. The 600 yard range is barely accessible as well. You will spend the better part of a shooting session getting there and back. The carts are way past a fixable state. The "roads" have not been smoothed out in years. From 100 yards to 300 is okay as long as you don't mind rummaging through multiple target stands to find one that will actually hold a target and stand up straight. As an aside, it costs extra to shoot at the gongs at 1000 yards. Why? Any discussion of approved matches at Manatee is silly. IT COULD BE A GREAT RANGE!!! Will it ever?
Every thing you said above But with one addition .
Not one year but for ever .
Larry
 
All true as said above.

The club has money saved to do things. Promises are made continually. For the past few months the issue with the 1,000 yard range is water. Too much water.

About a month ago I hauled one of my quads there on a trailer. Then used that quad to pull that trailer. We were not allowed to do it on a closed day but had to work after the range closed for the day. I pulled three guys and equipment through foot deep water and more. Lucky we were able to get there. Then we worked our butts off to rebuild the gong racks and the gongs, clean up the target area and try to make it usable.

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Repeated this on the 600 also to get things squared away there. Miserable work and largely because there are huge mud holes and lakes from 600 yards out. NO GOLF CART - even if they were working - can make the passage to 1,000 yards. My 4 X 4 Kodiak quad dug in and tore things up pulling us and the trailer at max capabilities.

We were thanked but there's little more than that. The water is bad. We had too much rain. It was built with no thought that the design would be little more than a puddle between hills. Vince, the President, has repeatedly promised that when it dries he will have graders to move dirt from the left bank to make a higher path above the water to the target area at 1,000. Of course there's a darn lake right in front of the entire target area. I tried to use 4 x 4's to build some kind of bridge. They literally floated away. Much grader work and drainage needs done.

Promises don't get that done.

In the back there's another 600 yard competition range. Issues with people shooting short and skipping bullets over the backstop into the park behind abound. That range is supposedly closed but there were people shooting at targets placed on the side this past Saturday. I have used it but not to 600, where it's probably safe to use while what is being used might cause skip. There is to be a higher backstop and skip berm built. It's also promised.

The golf carts are a mess. They were down to ONE working cart last Saturday. I cannot explain or defend the lack of new purchase as the club really does have 100's of thousands of dollars in the bank, partly in thanks to the old President, Gene Pitts. Only thing is little is being spent right now.

The target frames ARE a mess. They wobble and will not hold targets securely. The fellow that welded and kept up on them got mad and quit the club. No replacement with those skills has been found to my knowledge. They want targets high to try and keep bullets from skipping on the main range also. There is a skip berm at 460 yards. It seems to be helping but there's another issue.

Manatee is a public range. Control of the shooters is difficult when you get all kinds of irresponsible behavior. We had wind flags on top of the hills and shooters shot the flags, sending bullets into the park behind. It is near impossible to deal with control of the general public that shows up. They try. They get ID, have shooters wear ID, try to keep range officers working and controlling but it's tough. Then when range officers, overworked and beat, try to keep control they get hostile treatment at them.

If Manatee was a target range for quality shooters, it would be much easier to deal with the issues. As a general range with huge numbers of shooters playing with military guns, some full automatic, 50's, 338 Lapua ( targeting the gong stands and metal target supports for fun), the club has problems.

Many issues at Manatee. I hope some are resolved as it's the only local place with 600 and 1,000 yard capability around. Many there are hostile about the conditions. One is "SavageDasher" with the post above. I don't blame him.
 
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Gee whiz,
I was there three times for Winds Of Manatee 100-200 yard benchrest matches and all was well then.
What happened? If it's a long story I probably don't need to know. Bring back Benchrest to Manatee.
 
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FYI : That is Chris Bosse and the great Steve Krauss working on the left. Rod Schneider, right, and I were the ONLY people we could get to help. We BEGGED for help. That's another issue.
Steve ,Chris, Rod , and you along with many of others have ask for years to get something done . Just to get thrown under the BUS .
Will it get better No not with the management we have now. Larry
 
...and probably will not return. That's another sad situation. Seems greed, pride, power and charging for range use all got into a conflict. Sure hope it's resolved and could be brought back. Been a few years now and I see nothing in the immediate future for that to return.

Summary - There is currently nobody employed by the range to literally do much more than operate the range with the equipment that is there. Volunteer work is both expensive, time-consuming and often met with apathy and resistance.
 
...and probably will not return. That's another sad situation. Seems greed, pride, power and charging for range use all got into a conflict. Sure hope it's resolved and could be brought back. Been a few years now and I see nothing in the immediate future for that to return.

Summary - There is currently nobody employed by the range to literally do much more than operate the range with the equipment that is there. Volunteer work is both expensive, time-consuming and often met with apathy and resistance.



I've been using the club for over a decade. I wasn't a member until recently due to being a broke college kid and then because I moved 5 hours away. I moved back to the Tampa area not too long ago and would love to help improve the range. Shoot me a PM if you guys need any help.


I'm planning on being at the next 600y gong match. BTW-I'm the guy shooting the beater 223.
 
Captain and Dasher, Ive been shooting there in the winter months for at lest 6 years now, F /Class with Tom P.(Director) He has handed over the reigns to couple of nice fellas (Dave and John)who now run the 300yd NRA Registered matches. We were supposed to shoot 600yds when the 600 yd berm was placed. But somehow ??
ricochets are coming over the median berm about at the 350yd mark. I can't believe this is allowed to happen.I don't know what they shoot at to make that happen ?? Well from what I see when I shoot matches, the 300yd F Class matches run flawlessly and always have. Maybe thats because we run it, not Manatee. I try to stay clear of the political power struggle they have going on. It also helps that we are not on the Main range but on an adjacent one. There, we have complete control of professional shooters. The Range itself it a fine facility, just needs proper management. Anyone interested in fun registered F Class matches, see the Manatee Gun Club site for match dates. 2nd Sunday each month I think.
One of these days I gonna stop by at the main range and kick Larry's butt.
 
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We have a good members some are very good . The problems come from the leadership . None can agree to make it better . Previous management didn't liked bench rest shooters . Now all we have running the club is Attitudes. Some how many don't understand the club is a 501 C 4 and if it isn't run correctly it can be closed .
Attendence is down from several reasons
One being attitude 2 the range has stoped much of the un safe shooting .
3 the ranges are a total mess we haven't Ben able to get to the 1000 yard berm because of standing water . We need to replace the golf carts. Suggestion Air Boats
Swamp Buggy. Mabey a drain or make a path above the water line . In reference to the bullets going over the berm . My suggestion is to make the rang safe . We have a few thousand yards of dirt in a pile . And several thousand that could of been had Just from checking up wit the county . Steve had that arranged . For his effort he got put under the bus . We don't have member ship problem we have incompetent management . Sorry guys this makes my blood boil
Larry
 
We have a good members some are very good . The problems come from the leadership . None can agree to make it better . Previous management didn't liked bench rest shooters . Now all we have running the club is Attitudes. Some how many don't understand the club is a 501 C 4 and if it isn't run correctly it can be closed .
Attendence is down from several reasons
One being attitude 2 the range has stoped much of the un safe shooting .
3 the ranges are a total mess we haven't Ben able to get to the 1000 yard berm because of standing water . We need to replace the golf carts. Suggestion Air Boats
Swamp Buggy. Mabey a drain or make a path above the water line . In reference to the bullets going over the berm . My suggestion is to make the rang safe . We have a few thousand yards of dirt in a pile . And several thousand that could of been had Just from checking up wit the county . Steve had that arranged . For his effort he got put under the bus . We don't have member ship problem we have incompetent management . Sorry guys this makes my blood boil
Larry

Time to step up and assume command Larry.
 
Larry, my club is much like yours except 300 yards only. The CMP guys have their agenda, shotgun guys have theirs - always vying for the lion's share of the yearly budget. Benchrester's are largely ignored by the two groups.
This year, in order to make peace, the BOD gave everyone there wish. The CMP guys had the ranges graded, the access road moved next to a steep dropoff of fill dirt and a new access road on the other side. They ran out of money and can't get gravel until next year. So what could have been a plus, through lack of planning and leadership, is now a muddy mess when it rains, we started losing the access road due to the rains from Matthew. Glad we only had a few inches up here. I fell y'alls pain.
 
No reasonable way for any "volunteer" to step up and take over. Those now running the club seem reasonable. Promises have been made. Nothing done in many, many areas. To affect administration change would be quite difficult and time-consuming. The operators are paid to do that. They will not go away and if they did, who takes over?

The ranges need work. The equipment needs refreshed. The club needs to hire a maintenance foreman or whatever title you want to call a good repair and construction person. All could be done with current paid staff in charge and not attacking their ego's. Now how to do it?

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No reasonable way for any "volunteer" to step up and take over. Those now running the club seem reasonable. Promises have been made. Nothing done in many, many areas. To affect administration change would be quite difficult and time-consuming. The operators are paid to do that. They will not go away and if they did, who takes over?

The ranges need work. The equipment needs refreshed. The club needs to hire a maintenance foreman or whatever title you want to call a good repair and construction person. All could be done with current paid staff in charge and not attacking their ego's. Now how to do it?

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Agreed. How can there not be a full time maintenance handyman. RO's do chores in-between calling the line and I have seen mowing the range when cold, holding up shooting sessions!
 
No reasonable way for any "volunteer" to step up and take over. Those now running the club seem reasonable. Promises have been made. Nothing done in many, many areas. To affect administration change would be quite difficult and time-consuming. The operators are paid to do that. They will not go away and if they did, who takes over?

The ranges need work. The equipment needs refreshed. The club needs to hire a maintenance foreman or whatever title you want to call a good repair and construction person. All could be done with current paid staff in charge and not attacking their ego's. Now how to do it?

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Was the current administration put in place via a voting process?
 
Larry, my club is much like yours except 300 yards only. The CMP guys have their agenda, shotgun guys have theirs - always vying for the lion's share of the yearly budget. Benchrester's are largely ignored by the two groups.
This year, in order to make peace, the BOD gave everyone there wish. The CMP guys had the ranges graded, the access road moved next to a steep dropoff of fill dirt and a new access road on the other side. They ran out of money and can't get gravel until next year. So what could have been a plus, through lack of planning and leadership, is now a muddy mess when it rains, we started losing the access road due to the rains from Matthew. Glad we only had a few inches up here. I fell y'alls pain.
Thanks for the response
Our club has everything thinking it takes to be one of the best in the south east .
But lacks leadership and management .
Their a old saying
You can't fix stupid !!
How well our club proves that .
Many of the ranges I feel is in safe
The office and the grounds are total mess Range officers and office all have have a personality of a mad dog . Customers are treated very un professional .
The directors that we voted to run the club all the do is disagree and not get any done . Months back we hired a attorney he told us how he would recomended the club should go.
The club is a corporation and must be operated as such . After 7 months the only thing that change is the faces with the same results . Two board has member that are husband and wife two directors . president and Vice President not only have that position the run the daily club operation
Tell me that isn't a train wreck
We have to be present to vote Guess what that is opeaning day of turkey season .
So I and many other don't vote so I have reason to complain
The same 70 members that take the time to be there to vote Elect the same people to run the club and we end up with the same results .
Talk about a rigged election .
I have tried to get a mail in elections and have Been told it will never happen .
Go figure thank all for the response.
Larry
 
Thanks for the response
Our club has everything thinking it takes to be one of the best in the south east .
But lacks leadership and management .
Their a old saying
You can't fix stupid !!
How well our club proves that .
Many of the ranges I feel is in safe
The office and the grounds are total mess Range officers and office all have have a personality of a mad dog . Customers are treated very un professional .
The directors that we voted to run the club all the do is disagree and not get any done . Months back we hired a attorney he told us how he would recomended the club should go.
The club is a corporation and must be operated as such . After 7 months the only thing that change is the faces with the same results . Two board has member that are husband and wife two directors . president and Vice President not only have that position the run the daily club operation
Tell me that isn't a train wreck
We have to be present to vote Guess what that is opeaning day of turkey season .
So I and many other don't vote so I have reason to complain
The same 70 members that take the time to be there to vote Elect the same people to run the club and we end up with the same results .
Talk about a rigged election .
I have tried to get a mail in elections and have Been told it will never happen .
Go figure thank all for the response.
Larry
For yourself and the many others who choose to not vote, don't complain. If you don't vote to force a change, it won't happen. Sounds more like a HOA than a corporation:confused:
 
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For yourself and the many others who choose to not vote, don't complain. If you don't vote to force a change, it won't happen.
I agree and I stated it . But the board no matter who voted for them at required by law to operate correctly . That isn't happening . And that is a train wreck . Larry
 
I agree and I stated it . But the board no matter who voted for them at required by law to operate correctly . That isn't happening . And that is a train wreck . Larry
Then stop complaining, vote them out and replace them with someone else. If opening day for turkey season is more important to you and the many others, you have only yourselves to blame.
 

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