Lot testing

[grauhanen]

Your standard for good ammo is a lot different from mines. I would not call a lot that did 15mm good.

Lee

Very true it is not how small but how often. even with the mentioned rifles I still would not consider 15mm good especially if you are testing Lapua.

Lee

You must have a cut-off somewhere between 12 and 15mm for the difference between a very good lot and one that's just good. What is it -- one or two millimeters more than 12?

As an observation, if all shooters held out for lots that produced consistent ten shot groups no more than 12mm outside-to-outside, there would be few doing any shooting. Accepting 15mm oto performance might not be a bad thing.

 

[Todd Earhart]

You must have a cut-off somewhere between 12 and 15mm for the difference between a very good lot and one that's just good. What is it -- one or two millimeters more than 12?

As an observation, if all shooters held out for lots that produced consistent ten shot groups no more than 12mm outside-to-outside, there would be few doing any shooting. Accepting 15mm oto performance might not be a bad thing.

This is right. With the ammo situation the way it is, decisions have to be made. Do I hold out for ammo that will win and not shoot matches till I get it or settle for ammo that is less than what it takes to win and continue to shoot matches. Everyone has to make up their on mind on that one. Tough decision.
Todd

 

[MUP]

I'm excited for a lot that I just shot 5 groups of 5 that held at 3/8" @ 50 yards. Will be shooting this lot for score now in further testing.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

You must have a cut-off somewhere between 12 and 15mm for the difference between a very good lot and one that's just good. What is it -- one or two millimeters more than 12?

As an observation, if all shooters held out for lots that produced consistent ten shot groups no more than 12mm outside-to-outside, there would be few doing any shooting. Accepting 15mm oto performance might not be a bad thing.

As I already said my standards are different why does it matter what they are. from my experience I have seen factory Anschutz match 54 do better than 15mm I myself had one that did 11.86mm a 1413.
if you can accept 15mm that is up to you. but for me I can't not when I know it can be better. again, this is for me and only me.

Lee

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

This is right. With the ammo situation the way it is, decisions have to be made. Do I hold out for ammo that will win and not shoot matches till I get it or settle for ammo that is less than what it takes to win and continue to shoot matches. Everyone has to make up their on mind on that one. Tough decision.
Todd

I completely understand right now anyone traveling to shoot matches wants to be at least competitive if not have the tools to win. very hard when you can't find the ammo.

Lee

 

[grauhanen]

As I already said my standards are different why does it matter what they are. from my experience I have seen factory Anschutz match 54 do better than 15mm I myself had one that did 11.86mm a 1413.
if you can accept 15mm that is up to you. but for me I can't not when I know it can be better. again, this is for me and only me.

Lee

Fair enough.

I think I've seen your test center sub-12mm ten shot group with Center X, others too. Is it the one shown below?



Even if it isn't, it's always good fortune find lots of CX that give consistent 12mm or better ten shot groups.

And speaking of factory Anschutz match 54, I have also seen a 1411 do very well with a certain lot of CX, having did a ten shot group at 100 yards that was 19.6mm (0.773") outside-to-outside, which would possibly make it sub-10mm at 50.

Although I've had better results at 100 with other Lapua, such results were not consistently achievable. The lot in question averaged 28.9mm outside-to-outside at 100 over 58 groups. Sometimes ten random rounds from the same box/lot seem to do better than others.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Fair enough.

I think I've seen your test center sub-12mm ten shot group with Center X, others too. Is it the one shown below?



Even if it isn't, it's always good fortune find lots of CX that give consistent 12mm or better ten shot groups.

And speaking of factory Anschutz match 54, I have also seen a 1411 do very well with a certain lot of CX, having did a ten shot group at 100 yards that was 19.6mm (0.773") outside-to-outside, which would possibly make it sub-10mm at 50.

Although I've had better results at 100 with other Lapua, such results were not consistently achievable. The lot in question averaged 28.9mm outside-to-outside at 100 over 58 groups. Sometimes ten random rounds from the same box/lot seem to do better than others.

yes, that is the test results I got from my 1413 and it was with my base lot not from anything at the center.

as far as consistent 100 yd/m unless you are shooting in a controlled condition how can you know something down range did not cause any shot to open up the group.
you questioned how I knew the 3 shots not touching the group in this 50-shot group at 100yds. we're not the ammo. well, the other 47 shots were shot when the tails of my flags were near vertical those 3 shots the tails moved before impact, so the results showed how it affected the shot. too many things can happen between 0-100

Lee

 

[USMCDOC]

Fair enough.

I think I've seen your test center sub-12mm ten shot group with Center X, others too. Is it the one shown below?



Even if it isn't, it's always good fortune find lots of CX that give consistent 12mm or better ten shot groups.

And speaking of factory Anschutz match 54, I have also seen a 1411 do very well with a certain lot of CX, having did a ten shot group at 100 yards that was 19.6mm (0.773") outside-to-outside, which would possibly make it sub-10mm at 50.

Although I've had better results at 100 with other Lapua, such results were not consistently achievable. The lot in question averaged 28.9mm outside-to-outside at 100 over 58 groups. Sometimes ten random rounds from the same box/lot seem to do better than others.

I shot this not long ago, with my 1613, on a meter target and scored 200-20X with the stuff, then I just tried it in the new Turbo I have and shot this at a hundred, aimed on the bullet hole just almost off the picture to the left, that’s a five shot group, then re-zeroed the scope, put the dot on the X and hit it! If they don’t shoot good at a hundred, it ain’t worth fooling with