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I agree with 10 million new shooters will need experienced help. Club had a carbine class on the weekend. I was there on Monday, found 6 live rounds, some in the parking lot(a first for me). I hope it was a pocket loss situation.
 
Doubt it.

Nobody should be so foolish with hot or cold items to simply blindly take it all on faith. She was. Heck, we learned that lesson by age five. She clearly hadn't. Wasn't hardly the restaurant's fault for making a hot product hot, though many disagree with that (and did at the time).

Accidents happen.
 
Not trying to be a turd here, but as someone that has sat in on a LOT accident investigations in an industrial setting, there are no such things as accidents. They are situations that weren't properly planned for. And when the OSHA rep issues his report, you will pay.

I have too. And in this case McDonalds paid. Lol
 
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50 years ago people were smarter than they are now. Not that we’ve lost intelligence, it was that the world was a more dangerous place and the stupid ones didn’t survive.
Since the mid 1800 IQ and reproduction have been negatively correlated. Smart people have fewer babies and dumb people have more. The folks having the most babies, if they was hogs we would cull them out. Nature (God works in mysterious ways) used to be the great "Culler" in the sky. Then the government, lawyers and church ladies thought they knew better and went about fixing a problem that was not a problem of protecting people from themselves. Stupid ought to hurt, and some stupid stuff should be deadly.
 
As though hot coffee won't do that. Or sauce on a just-from-the-oven pizza or lasagna. Or any similar disregard for dangerous items.

Granted, that story got trotted about so much that she got the poor end of the stick. Still, unless a staffer actually threw the thing at her (knowing it was scaldingly hot), there's not a lot of claim there. No matter that she "only" wanted medical bills covered, or whatever. I feel for her. But, still. Hot things are hot. It's what happens when an "oops" moment occurs. Not that that makes it somebody else's fault, though.
I disagree in that any fault should be assigned to the woman burnt by the hot coffee. It was the fault of the McDonald’s staff that handed her a cup super heated coffee as the employee was responsible for the lid to be secured properly. It is the callous and crass attitude of large corporations that always blames the consumer public for the incompetence of the employees these corporations hire. I myself didn’t believe this woman’s claim until I was handed a cup of coffee from a McDonald’s drive through with the lid not properly secured which is about half the time. This is from multiple different McDonald’s drive throughs. Although I’ve never been burnt by a unsecured lid because I always pull off to side before leaving a McDonald’s to stir mix the sugar that will sit at the bottom of the cup.
 
Doubt it.

Nobody should be so foolish with hot or cold items to simply blindly take it all on faith. She was. Heck, we learned that lesson by age five. She clearly hadn't. Wasn't hardly the restaurant's fault for making a hot product hot, though many disagree with that (and did at the time).
When the last time you had new tires mounted or rotated, if you didn’t see the tire mechanic tightened the lug nuts, did you pull a torque wrench from your trunk to check if they were torqued to 100 foot pounds ? When you get into an elevator, do you first ask to see the building elevator maintenance log ? I’m sure you have sat behind a new rifle and shot the first bullet out of it not concerned it mite blow up in your face. I bet there are hundreds of things you take for granted that some unknown to you person was paid to do their job competently. I’m not trying to disparage you for your opinion in this regard, and to some degree agree with you regarding this McDonalds coffee incident, but we live in a society were we, maybe wrongly so, expect people to be competent in the performance of their jobs if it directly serves the public at large. It doesn’t require a degree in mechanical engineering to secure the lid on a cup of coffee. If anything, it’s the incompetence of McDonald’s from not properly training their service employees.
 
I disagree in that any fault should be assigned to the woman burnt by the hot coffee. It was the fault of the McDonald’s staff that handed her a cup super heated coffee as the employee was responsible for the lid to be secured properly.

The situation was: they'd ordered from the drive-thru, parked the car, then she placed the cup between her knees and pulled up on the far side of the lid (toward her) ... spilling the contents all over her pelvic/leg area.

There are safe methods of opening a cup. And then there are methods that are risky as hell, which presuppose a cup will remain balanced between knees as though "on rails."

Wasn't that an engineering degree was required to separate the lid from cup. Was that the method used wasn't effective and cautious. Which the contents dictated choosing.

I wouldn't categorize the coffee cup opening method problem as being similar to trust that an elevator maintenance log's legit, or similar to lug nuts being tightened competently at the tire rotation shop. Instead, at least IMO, seems clear that it's a basic product usage question. Such as ... given that Ford Mustang Cobra has 550hp, don't believe that "flooring" the throttle is a rational thing to do, and accept that 550hp will do things regular (ie, tepid or room temp) contents won't do if you don't exhibit caution while operating. Such as ... given knives are sharp, a modicum of caution needs to be employed lest a person cuts himself/herself. Such as ... greasy barbecue sauce will mar a shirt quicker than anything, if you clean your finger on your shirt sleeves; not that providers of particularly-stain-causing sauces should present warnings against such usage. Such as ... onions aren't grown round, thus they "slip" a bit when attempting to slice them with knives, thus caution is due when attempting to do so. Such as ... slipping on an icy and snowy sidewalk, despite not taking the precaution of wearing something other than tennis shoes; the fault of the person without a cautious approach to winter walking, not that of the nearby homeowners.

I feel for the person, dumping the contents all over her. One would think the safer method of opening a cup would be, say, temporary placement on the dashboard, holding securely with one hand, then gently ratcheting up the edge of the lid until it's released. Not that that's the only method. But its likelihood of success and likelihood of avoiding the self-dumping option is greatly improved.

There are ways to mitigate risks to oneself. Then there's the method she chose. Irrespective of the contents.
 
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I didn’t know she had the cup between her legs. If that was the case, I stand corrected. Still, I’ve been handed cups of coffee from the McDonald’s drive through with lids not properly secured, in that, I still stand by my original posts.
 

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