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Looking for info on rimfire actions.

SteveOak

SteveOak

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After having laid off from shooting NRA Rifle Silhouette for quite a few years, I am looking at having a go at it again. In the past I had a 40X rimfire that I let get away. Too bad. It shot great and I really liked it. Oh well.

The High Power rifle will be a Remington 700 clone. I will also shoot Smallbore Silhouette, partially because I enjoy it in its own right but also as reinforcement for High Power shooting. With that in mind I am looking to build a smallbore rifle that will take the same stock, trigger and so on as the High Power rifle I build. At present I am looking at a Stiller 2500X action for the smallbore but I have not made that decision yet.

In order to make weight and to be similar to the High Power rifle the action needs to weigh not appreciably more than that of a high quality single shot centerfire clone that fits the Rem 700 footprint. I think would about 30 ounces or so but I don't know for sure.

I’m not having much luck finding weighs online so if anyone knows the weight of a particular action, please post it here.

At present I am looking at a PTG trued Remington repeater action with a PTG bolt for the High Power rifle. Unfortunately PTG doesn’t publish the weight on their website.

An internet search came up with a weight for a 40X RF action with Jewell trigger at 33 oz. Sounds about right. I’ll keep looking.

In looking for rimfire actions that meet that criteria I saw a Stiller Copperhead but I can find much information on it. A Google search has very few returns. How does it compare to a 2500X? Are there others that fit a 40X footprint that I should consider?

Thanks!

ETA: Corrected a spelling error.
 
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Call Dan Killough at Killough Shooting Sports. He has lots of experience with .22 rimfire actions. Also, Russ at Stiller should be able to answer your questions about Stiller actions.
 
savagedasher said:
I know nothing about the action . Other than they are hard to find. You will need to find a rim fire shooter to respond. Larry
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The swindlehurst is a square tang so will not fit a 700 footprint.stiller makes the 2500xs that is drop in fit for a 700 stock. Killough's has a2500xs barreled action in stock but is pricey
 
SteveOak said:
In looking for rimfire actions that meet that criteria I saw a Stiller Copperhead but I can find much information on it. A Google search has very few returns. How does it compare to a 2500X? Are there others that fit a 40X footprint that I should consider?

Thanks!
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I talked with Jerry Stiller at the SHOT show today and got the answers to my questions and more.

The receiver of the Stiller Copperhead uses the same screw spacing as the standard Rem 700/40X. The receiver of the 2500X has a smaller internal diameter and uses a smaller butt to the barrel (thicker receiver), is shorter than the Rem700/40X and uses a different screw spacing. It is not a drop in swap. In addition to being shorter I believe that here are also some differences in the configuration of the bolt.

According to Jerry the accuracy potential is the same for either.

I also got to see and talk to him about a Lonestar rimfire action. It is a true 40X rimfire clone and the bolt is IDENTICAL as to design to a 40X rimfire. The accuracy potential is not at the level of the Copperhead and 2500X. There is another production run planned in the near future.

The Copperhead would be my preference based on the dimensional similarities to the Rem 700/40X but is not currently in production and no production run is planned. I have checked several places and have only found right bolt, left port versions. So now the search is on for a Right/Right Copperhead.
 
If magazine feeding is a concern, make sure the action you are looking at will feed. Some of them have a magazine just to qualify for hunter class, but will not feed reliably. That is just what I have read in my research for building a repeater silhouette rifle.
 
rain164845 said:
If magazine feeding is a concern, make sure the action you are looking at will feed. Some of them have a magazine just to qualify for hunter class, but will not feed reliably. That is just what I have read in my research for building a repeater silhouette rifle.
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Thanks for the reply. You are correct. Even some of the better rifles have magazine feeding problems.

Standard Rifle, 10 lbs 2 oz, Single shot, no magazine.
 
Oklahoma Jim said: ↑
There was a Copperhead for sale on the Benchrest Central site recently. I don't believe it sold yet.

snert said:
maybe I am missing something, but why not a 40X sporter?
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Looked on BRC, didn't see one, perhaps it has sold.

A Stiller 2500X or Copperhead would be capable of producing a more accurate rifle. The action will be true and have better features such as dual firing pins and a stronger extractor and not have the thin loading rail that can be tricky if the cartridge falls behind it.

There is a Stiller Lonestar which is a 40X rimfire copy but it trued.

I like 40X's and have had several. The centerfire 40X's were trued and the lugs were lapped. I had a 40X rimfire that I let get away and wish I still had it although it did have an extraction problem until I had the chamber reamed to remove a line.

On to today. For what I would have to pay for a 40X rimfire the cost would be pretty close to a Stiller and would not be trued and would likely have a barrel of unknown usage, cleaning, wear etc.
 
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Just get a 1712 annie and be done with it. Itll work in both classes and will be exactly like 98% of the sporters on the line. You can always put a different stock on it later or just run it as is. If youre not a trigger junkie go with the 1710 and put a jp spring in the single stage. They feed like butter from the mag even upside down. Another popular lower cost option is a cz 452 silhouette. One of the favorites for sure. I shoot a 1712 and a 54ms but have a 452 thats no slouch. None of the 3 i mentioned there gives up anything to a custom action in silhouette. Never even see a custom now that i think about it only in br matches. What im saying is you spend $6000 on a custom smallbore silhouette rifle and it wont beat an out of the box 1712 on the animals.
 
xpfuzz said:
PTG has 40x rimfire clones,check them out
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I was not aware of the PTG 40X clone. Stiller also makes one, the Longhorn.

They are both very close copies of the 40X and PTG makes the bolts for Remington so they both share the strengths and weaknesses of the 40X.

If I could find one I would probably go with a Stiller Copperhead. It has improvements over the 40X design. Unfortunately they are not being produced right now and the ones that I can find in stock at retailers are left port versions. I am looking for right/right.
 
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