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Looking for experiences with case capacity

Hi all, I'm looking for some help to maybe shortcut some time/energy/money. I'm working with a Remington 300 Ultra Mag that I've worked up a nice load for using Remington brass and now I have a new box of Peterson brass to also load up. The Remington brass has a water capacity of 119.1 grains and the Peterson brass has a capacity of 112.2 grains. 6.9 water grain difference or about 6.1% . Are there any tried and true methods to use? As in maybe use 6.1% less powder to attain the same load? Or do I start over again with the load workup?
Thanks in advance.
 
It's not linear as you change capacities. I'd probably drop 10 % if I'm running balls to the wall full in the big cases. If I have some wiggle room there I'd try the 6%. I definitely would have my chronograph running for comparison work.
 
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Hi all, I'm looking for some help to maybe shortcut some time/energy/money. I'm working with a Remington 300 Ultra Mag that I've worked up a nice load for using Remington brass and now I have a new box of Peterson brass to also load up. The Remington brass has a water capacity of 119.1 grains and the Peterson brass has a capacity of 112.2 grains. 6.9 water grain difference or about 6.1% . Are there any tried and true methods to use? As in maybe use 6.1% less powder to attain the same load? Or do I start over again with the load workup?
Thanks in advance.
I don't think you actually have to start all over again with your workup. But, you'll certainly want to do a workup based on what you already know. This is the type of thing that QuickLoad helps me with a lot. When you figure what it takes to do this kind of adjustment workup, I find the cost of QuickLoad well worth it.

Take a look at what the difference in case capacity does for this arbitrary load in QuickLoad, maybe it'll give you some idea where to decide to start with your particular load:

PS: Volumes based on fired case volumes!

300 RemUM RemBrass volume.jpg
300 RemUM PetersonBrass volume2.jpg

300 RemUM PetersonBrass volume.jpg
 
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"Fired and sized will be different than new in the box"
Can you quantify this difference?
Not for the the OP’s cartridge but in a .223 it’s about 1.25 grains of water.

The shoulder diameter of 300 REM Mag is .525”, we’ll call internal diameter.500” to make it easy. If the shoulder moves .010”, normal min/max headspace. You have a cylinder of .500”w X .010”h. Woks out to .030 CC or about 4.5 grains. Plus any diameter expansion.

Enough to make a difference.
 
I would like to thank you guys for reminding me about Fired/ unfired capacity. I loaded up 5 rounds working up to my original load to check pressures, when I got home I checked the weights again with the fired case.
The results were that the Remington fired case was 119.1 W/G, fired Peterson case 117.4 vs 112.2 new. So I'm at 1.7 W/G difference. According to the velocities my Remington cases with 96.2 grain of H1000 are the same as 96 grain in the Peterson cases. Thanks again.
 
It still will not likely match in results.

While most have formed a notion that measuring and matching case H20 capacity is about initial confinement, that is not as useful as you might think. This, because it's a static measure, while results are dynamic.
Some contributing matters include chamber clearance and support, brass alloy and hardness, load density and pressure. These are the things you need to match, and capacity measure can get you there, but here lies the difference: the prerequisite for dynamic capacity is control of all contributing.
A single static measure does not get you there.

So how can you see and know that I'm right about this?
Well, without countering with sizing, you can watch MV change from new brass to fully fire formed.
The new brass has less capacity/tighter confinement for a given load, you should see MV high at first and lowering with each firing on cases, right?
Except,, it's just opposite..
The new cases are expanding more, and with this absorbing some of the pressure peak. It's like a shock absorber to the peak, which is often beneficial because it flattens the peak to plateau.
FL sizing functions to recharge some of the shock absorbing, but at counterproductive costs (like brass hardening, clearance changing, additional capacity variances).

For brutal real matching, you must 1st match every aspect of your cases, then take capacity measure after cases are taken to fully stable -with your sizing plan.
In my experience, you're lucky to match 10% of new brass in every respect, and of that, I've lost ~20% to departures in dynamic capacities (what the cases spring back to from chamber + sizing die). And I'm a tight chamber/minimal sizing dude.

If you're a FL sizing dude, forget the whole mess. You will never reach dynamic capacity matching.
Obviously this is not a disaster. But it is a reason not to lose religion over H20 capacities.
Just don't bother for no good reason.
 
Measuring case volume is a huge can of worms to open up, to use water vs alcohol or maybe ball powder is another option.
I’m not sure if it isn’t better to just weigh the cases and mark the outliers before running them past a chronograph a few times. culling the unexplained.

At least it’s performance based and results driven testing.
 

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