Longest Sniper kill 2.2 miles !
- Thread starter Zero333
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Yep;
Your numbers are what the chart says.
So I wander what distance the rifle was zeroed at being 50 cal. Just was thinking how much drop at that distance
750 gr Amax perform best at velocities at or below 2750 fps. They are known to destabilize at higher velocities. I'm not near my ballistic calculator, so I wonder what moa drop there would be, considering this? It also states he was shooting from an "elevated position" (one article I read said it was a 10 story building).
Kurz
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This is a series of observations and comments I made to a Canadian citizen who stated that Canadian and British shooters were staid and stalwart, contributing to their abilities to make these 'record breaking' shots, while Americans were merely cowboys.
I think you have some details mixed up regarding the Canadian mission. I quote:
"The Canadian military said in a statement that members of the nation’s Special Operations Task Force “do not accompany leading combat elements, but enable the Iraqi security forces who are in a tough combat mission. This takes the form of advice in planning their operations and assistance to defeat Daesh through the use of coalition resources.”
'Resources' obviously is in reference to the use of snipers rather than regular ground troops. This is as opposed to the U.S. involvement with both regular ground troops AND SUPPORT for the Iraqi Army. This indicates several potential concepts of fighting, not the least of which is the range of engagement. House-to-house and street-to-street by the U.S troops are significantly different from sitting in an elevated position lobbing .50 caliber bullets from +2 miles away at an unsuspecting target.
Also, please be aware that it is the U.S arms and ultimately the ammunition which has allowed the Canadian sniper's actions to shine. But it also adds another aspect to the story which is often forgotten or just plain left out. The sniper's spotter is routinely the resource which actually helps make the successful shot. It is his assessment of all of the variables (math and meteorology) which contribute to the ability of the shooter to make these shots. He is part of the team which makes all of this possible.
But it should be pointed out again that the sniper's spotter was not the only spotter on call. The stories all state that there were at least two other resources using video equipment for confirmation of the kill. Now, this begs the question of why video confirmation is required of a supposed low-level ISIS soldier being killed?
Is it the need for Justification of the mission to the commanders of the forces? Or making sure that the attempt stands for the record books? Either one leaves me a little cold with the thoughts of justification. It makes me question why the sniper team was not closer in with the video team since the quality of video requires a closer proximity to the activity? The only sub answer I could conceive is that the higher command selected, maybe by a suggestion from the sniper, the higher elevation of the 10-story high rise in order to increase the potential for a successful shot. All-in-all though, this begins to smell of more RP than an actual required military activity.
Regards.
I think you have some details mixed up regarding the Canadian mission. I quote:
"The Canadian military said in a statement that members of the nation’s Special Operations Task Force “do not accompany leading combat elements, but enable the Iraqi security forces who are in a tough combat mission. This takes the form of advice in planning their operations and assistance to defeat Daesh through the use of coalition resources.”
'Resources' obviously is in reference to the use of snipers rather than regular ground troops. This is as opposed to the U.S. involvement with both regular ground troops AND SUPPORT for the Iraqi Army. This indicates several potential concepts of fighting, not the least of which is the range of engagement. House-to-house and street-to-street by the U.S troops are significantly different from sitting in an elevated position lobbing .50 caliber bullets from +2 miles away at an unsuspecting target.
Also, please be aware that it is the U.S arms and ultimately the ammunition which has allowed the Canadian sniper's actions to shine. But it also adds another aspect to the story which is often forgotten or just plain left out. The sniper's spotter is routinely the resource which actually helps make the successful shot. It is his assessment of all of the variables (math and meteorology) which contribute to the ability of the shooter to make these shots. He is part of the team which makes all of this possible.
But it should be pointed out again that the sniper's spotter was not the only spotter on call. The stories all state that there were at least two other resources using video equipment for confirmation of the kill. Now, this begs the question of why video confirmation is required of a supposed low-level ISIS soldier being killed?
Is it the need for Justification of the mission to the commanders of the forces? Or making sure that the attempt stands for the record books? Either one leaves me a little cold with the thoughts of justification. It makes me question why the sniper team was not closer in with the video team since the quality of video requires a closer proximity to the activity? The only sub answer I could conceive is that the higher command selected, maybe by a suggestion from the sniper, the higher elevation of the 10-story high rise in order to increase the potential for a successful shot. All-in-all though, this begins to smell of more RP than an actual required military activity.
Regards.
Keith Glasscock
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Think about this a while. If you had a 100 MOA total travel scope, and had enough mount to make it zero at 1000 yards with the scope bottomed out, even at max up setting, I doubt you could see the target in the scope in order to take this shot.
You would be~80 MOA short depending on atmospherics...
You would be~80 MOA short depending on atmospherics...
while I find this shot amazing and impressive , the ELR game is proving these ranges are very doable, bryan litz put 3 consecutive shots on a 2 mile target with 17.5" vert, 21" horizontal, and others keep pushing beyond , this one impresses me also, not trying to take away anything from the snipers shot , just pointing out advances in the ballistics and technologies being used .
I swear i am not a conspiracy theorist, but try this on for size: The JTF2 had no comment because it wasn't a 750 Amax, but one of the guided Bullets from Sandia Labs. The shot was set up to test the bullet in combat situations, and the video was confirmation of the test. The drone was a laser designator for the bullet to home in on. Can you tell I watch a lot of movies?
You know, it answers a whole lot of nagging questions.
P.S. I'd think that if this were the case, a 20 mm or 30 mm round from an Apache would have worked better.
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I would not be surprised at all. Who knows who actually made it. There are more than one company who is making them.
1st mistake....not a lot of ocean front property in Afganistan.....Elevation might have been closer to 5000 feet......maybe more? Also....scope height.....3" might be closer to actual.
And a question.....what kind of mounting system do they use for the scope? with around 200 moa solution, I would think that the base itself must be adjustable.
Stirring the pot....just for fun!!
Tod
carlsbad
Lions don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.
Tod, I used the defaults since I didn't have details. this isn't a shooting solution but a round number to wrap your head around.
I've wanted an adjustable scope base for ELR shooting even though I'm not ELR shooting right now. So far I've avoided buying something else that I have no immediate plans to use just because it is cool.
The Cold Shot one is used in that video above. I saw one I liked better once. It was over $1k IIRC.
Here is a link: Link
Jerry
I've wanted an adjustable scope base for ELR shooting even though I'm not ELR shooting right now. So far I've avoided buying something else that I have no immediate plans to use just because it is cool.
The Cold Shot one is used in that video above. I saw one I liked better once. It was over $1k IIRC.
Here is a link: Link
Jerry
There is a gunsmith over north west of the twin cities.....if you shot 1000 at Harris you know him...Elmer somebody (sorry Elmer, I forgot your last name
) that made an adjustable base. I only saw one once, but it looked to be to be pure ARTWORK!! He quit making them even though he was offered a PILE of cash to make some more.Tod
rkittine
Gold $$ Contributor
They do that with laser guided bombs where a close by participant Paints the target. Maybe they are not giving up all the details as we have a secret weapon in a rifle that my be laser guided. I also do not know what I am talking about, but we have lots of secret weapons and I think the commonwealth does also.
carlsbad
Lions don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.
If that were the case, it would never have been news. Totally black. I read books too.
Throughout history snipers have made some phenomenal shots. Some of the reported kills during the civil war defy reason but by all accounts were truly made.
Carlos Hathcock's feat taking out a VC general at 800+ yards in a combat situation is mind boggling but we have moved on from there. Technology keeps improving weapons and optics. I am sure that it was a high value target and do not question the validity of the shot.
Kudos to the Canadian team it was a hell of a shot. While it is interesting we really have no need to know the particulars and future hostiles surely don't.
Joe
Carlos Hathcock's feat taking out a VC general at 800+ yards in a combat situation is mind boggling but we have moved on from there. Technology keeps improving weapons and optics. I am sure that it was a high value target and do not question the validity of the shot.
Kudos to the Canadian team it was a hell of a shot. While it is interesting we really have no need to know the particulars and future hostiles surely don't.
Joe
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