Good thing it wasn't an american sniper then, it would have been tweeted by now
Longest Sniper kill 2.2 miles !
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Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
1st mistake....not a lot of ocean front property in Afganistan.....Elevation might have been closer to 5000 feet......maybe more? Also....scope height.....3" might be closer to actual.
And a question.....what kind of mounting system do they use for the scope? with around 200 moa solution, I would think that the base itself must be adjustable.
Stirring the pot....just for fun!!
Tod
This occured in Iraq.
Ned Ludd
Silver $$ Contributor
Apparently the reason they chose a sniper rather than a smart bomb was that ISIS likes to shield themselves with women and children, which they know we avoid killing. I was just saying that if some miniature guidance system was involved (as @johnfred1965 suggested), there more room for it in a 20mm or 30mm bullet than in a .50 cal. Higher BC too.MOAB. They're a little pricey, but don't need to be quite as precise.
there is a spot on our land that I can see the backwater from the Cumberland River,,by Google Earth it is 3.3 miles to a nest the Corp made for the Bald Eagles,,looking through a Leupold 12-40x60 Mk4 spotting scope it is no problem seeing the Eagles on the nest and on hazy days I have to back the scope down in the high teens to low 20`s to see,,there is a house at 4.1 miles and when people are there it is no problem seeing them getting in and out of the truck and I can tell the males from females and make out what color clothes they have on but I could not ID one male from another ,,but if someone gave me info on which person was the target at 2.2 miles it would be no problem at 25X to hold the crosshair on a man sized target,,hitting within 100 feet of that target would be a huge problem for me,,
I read an article on SH that this team had been there for a while and had been walking there shots out on ISIS targets for some time and missed on another attempt at 3200 meters later the same day the made the 3540 shot,,
that article said they had 118 MILS elevation and 6.5 mils windage on the 3540 shot,,
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06-24-2017, 11:08 AM
This is a good read........ SOFREP Exclusive: The inside story of Canada’s JTF2 record-breaking sniper kill
SOFREP Original Content
By Jack Murphy| 06.22.2017
#Expert Analysis
The Canadian snipers had carefully chosen their hide site. From an elevated position, the Special Operations sniper looked through his scope at a stationary human target leaning against a cement wall over two miles away. The four-man sniper team had been pushing their shots out further and further into Mosul over the course of several days, taking down ISIS terrorists in long-range engagements. Now, they were about to make history.
Three Canadian sniper detachments have been active in Mosul, Iraq. Two of those sniper detachments hail from Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR) and one from Joint Task Force 2 (JTF2), both units falling under Canadian Special Operations Forces Command (CANSOFCOM). CSOR handles tasks commonly associated with American units such as Special Forces and Rangers while JTF2 is Canada’s counter-terrorism unit, filling a role similar to Delta Force. That CSOR is in Kurdistan conducting an advise and assist mission is public knowledge. JTF2 was accidentally exposed in theater by a video released in 2015. What the Trudeau administration doesn’t want people to know is that Canadian troops are actively involved in combat. Like many other western governments, the advise and assist mission is used as a politically neutral term to disguise what is really happening on the ground.
The record-breaking shot was taken by the JTF2 sniper team nearly a month ago, but is just being publicized now, largely because the Canadian military is proud of what their men have accomplished despite what hand wringing politicians might think. Let’s get one thing straight, the record-breaking shot was not at a distance of 3,450 meters as the press has reported, but 90 meters further at a range of 3,540 meters. This smashes the previous record-setting distance for a sniper kill which was 2,475 meters held by British sniper Craig Harrison.
Canadian snipers are known to be amongst the best in the world and the JTF2 sniper detachment had been training for ultra-long range engagements prior to their deployment in preparation for Mosul. From their sniper hide, a number of factors lined up making the record-breaking shot possible. Using Kestral wind meters and ballistic software, the guess-work has been removed from ballistics. This truly makes sniping a science, as successful shots are based on math. On this particular day, there was little wind and no mirage. Through their scope, the sniper and spotter saw the target remaining still long enough for them to hit from 3,540 meters away.
The McMillan Tac-50 was hardly a new rifle, but would do the job. The round fired was a match grade armor-piercing incendiary (API) round. JTF2 mostly utilizes Schmidt and Bender scopes, but also some made by Night Force. Which optic used that day remains unknown at this time. The rifle had been customized in order to gain the mil elevation needed to reach a target at such great distances by attaching special rails to the weapon. The adjustments dialed into the scope by the JTF2 sniper were 113 mils of elevation and 6.5 mils of windage. To learn more about the mil-dot system and how snipers use it to adjust for distance and wind, take a look at the following website.
The JTF2 sniper fired, and the target went down, felled by a .50 caliber bullet from over two miles away. The episode was actually recorded by a Predator drone circling overhead. SOFREP has also seen confirmation of the shot from CANSOFCOM.
Minutes later, the same sniper/spotter team noticed a group of three ISIS terrorists standing close to each other at about 3,200 meters away. It would have been another record-breaking shot. The sniper fired at the group and all three hit the ground. One shot, three kills? Unfortunately not this time, the three terrorists sprung up and ran away. The bullet most likely passed right in between them. For the Canadian hunter/killer team it was still an amazing day. Chalking up a record-breaking sniper kill is one thing, having video evidence of it puts the shot into a whole other league.
The JTF2 snipers cannot be named for security purposes.
Author
Jack Murphy is an eight year Army Special Operations veteran who served as a Sniper and Team Leader in 3rd Ranger Battalion and as a Senior Weapons Sergeant on a Military Free Fall team in 5th Special Forces Group. Having left the military in 2010, he graduated from Columbia with a BA in political science. Murphy is the author of Reflexive Fire, Target Deck, Direct Action, and numerous non-fiction articles about Weapons, Tactics, Special Operations, Terrorism, and Counter-Terrorism. He has appeared in documentaries, national television, and syndicated radio
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06-24-2017, 11:08 AM
This is a good read........ SOFREP Exclusive: The inside story of Canada’s JTF2 record-breaking sniper kill
SOFREP Original Content
By Jack Murphy| 06.22.2017
#Expert Analysis
The Canadian snipers had carefully chosen their hide site. From an elevated position, the Special Operations sniper looked through his scope at a stationary human target leaning against a cement wall over two miles away. The four-man sniper team had been pushing their shots out further and further into Mosul over the course of several days, taking down ISIS terrorists in long-range engagements. Now, they were about to make history.
Three Canadian sniper detachments have been active in Mosul, Iraq. Two of those sniper detachments hail from Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR) and one from Joint Task Force 2 (JTF2), both units falling under Canadian Special Operations Forces Command (CANSOFCOM). CSOR handles tasks commonly associated with American units such as Special Forces and Rangers while JTF2 is Canada’s counter-terrorism unit, filling a role similar to Delta Force. That CSOR is in Kurdistan conducting an advise and assist mission is public knowledge. JTF2 was accidentally exposed in theater by a video released in 2015. What the Trudeau administration doesn’t want people to know is that Canadian troops are actively involved in combat. Like many other western governments, the advise and assist mission is used as a politically neutral term to disguise what is really happening on the ground.
The record-breaking shot was taken by the JTF2 sniper team nearly a month ago, but is just being publicized now, largely because the Canadian military is proud of what their men have accomplished despite what hand wringing politicians might think. Let’s get one thing straight, the record-breaking shot was not at a distance of 3,450 meters as the press has reported, but 90 meters further at a range of 3,540 meters. This smashes the previous record-setting distance for a sniper kill which was 2,475 meters held by British sniper Craig Harrison.
Canadian snipers are known to be amongst the best in the world and the JTF2 sniper detachment had been training for ultra-long range engagements prior to their deployment in preparation for Mosul. From their sniper hide, a number of factors lined up making the record-breaking shot possible. Using Kestral wind meters and ballistic software, the guess-work has been removed from ballistics. This truly makes sniping a science, as successful shots are based on math. On this particular day, there was little wind and no mirage. Through their scope, the sniper and spotter saw the target remaining still long enough for them to hit from 3,540 meters away.
The McMillan Tac-50 was hardly a new rifle, but would do the job. The round fired was a match grade armor-piercing incendiary (API) round. JTF2 mostly utilizes Schmidt and Bender scopes, but also some made by Night Force. Which optic used that day remains unknown at this time. The rifle had been customized in order to gain the mil elevation needed to reach a target at such great distances by attaching special rails to the weapon. The adjustments dialed into the scope by the JTF2 sniper were 113 mils of elevation and 6.5 mils of windage. To learn more about the mil-dot system and how snipers use it to adjust for distance and wind, take a look at the following website.
The JTF2 sniper fired, and the target went down, felled by a .50 caliber bullet from over two miles away. The episode was actually recorded by a Predator drone circling overhead. SOFREP has also seen confirmation of the shot from CANSOFCOM.
Minutes later, the same sniper/spotter team noticed a group of three ISIS terrorists standing close to each other at about 3,200 meters away. It would have been another record-breaking shot. The sniper fired at the group and all three hit the ground. One shot, three kills? Unfortunately not this time, the three terrorists sprung up and ran away. The bullet most likely passed right in between them. For the Canadian hunter/killer team it was still an amazing day. Chalking up a record-breaking sniper kill is one thing, having video evidence of it puts the shot into a whole other league.
The JTF2 snipers cannot be named for security purposes.
Author
Jack Murphy is an eight year Army Special Operations veteran who served as a Sniper and Team Leader in 3rd Ranger Battalion and as a Senior Weapons Sergeant on a Military Free Fall team in 5th Special Forces Group. Having left the military in 2010, he graduated from Columbia with a BA in political science. Murphy is the author of Reflexive Fire, Target Deck, Direct Action, and numerous non-fiction articles about Weapons, Tactics, Special Operations, Terrorism, and Counter-Terrorism. He has appeared in documentaries, national television, and syndicated radio
Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
Well folks, WikiLeaks did it again. They have just released the transcript of the intercepted communication exchange that took place just before the shot in question was made.
The following is the intercepted communications between the Canadian JTF2 sniper team, the command center called Sugar Shack and various downrange observers when the longest sniper shot was taken Iraq.
JTF2 Sniper Team: “Sugar Shack, this is Urgent Poutine, we have arrived at our destination. Jean-Guy is preparing his site and unpacking the 50. Over. “
Sugar Shack: “Urgent Poutine, this is Sugar Shack, understood. We’re guessing you mean the beer, not the weapon because our supply of Labatt’s 50 diminished greatly when you guys took off. All we have left is Molson Blue. Over.”
Observer 1: “Urgent Poutine, this is Vigilant Syrup, keep some beers for us, eh. We’ll need a few after this mission is over. Over.”
ST: “Vigilant Syrup, this is Urgent Poutine, I’ll try to save a few for you. I’ll hide them from Jean-Guy by putting them in the ammo box. Over.”
Observer 2: “Urgent Poutine, this is Forward Bacon, keep a few for us also, please. Over.”
ST: “Forward Bacon, Vigilant Syrup. This is Urgent Poutine. We only brought two cases of two-four. You only get a pair each. Next time, bring your own. Over.”
SS: “Hey hosers, this is Sugar Shack. Can we please focus on the mission and the 50 and not worry about the 50. I mean, not worry about the beer? Now cut the chatter, get into position and report when ready. Over.”
Half-hour of silence.
O1: “Vigilant Syrup. Ready.”
ST: “Urgent Poutine. Burp, I mean, Ready.”
O2: “Forward Bacon. Ready.”
SS: “This is Sugar Shack. Understood.”
2 hours of silence.
O2: “This is Forward Bacon, we see movement near building H7, north east side. A group of military age males is assembling. About 5 so far, carrying boxes. Over.”
SS: “Forward Bacon, understood. We are getting reports from around town that groups and individuals carrying boxes are headed in that direction. Urgent Poutine, are you able to monitor any of that activity? Over.”
ST: “Sugar Shack, this is Urgent Poutine. I’m seeing two buildings H7 in the riflescope. Moose says he only sees one in his spotting scope but he’s checking further. Over.”
20 minutes of silence.
O1: “This is Vigilant Syrup, we’re monitoring the assemblage here. Looks like 20 people so far, all with boxes. Over.”
SS: “This is Sugar Shack. The reports keep coming in from other sources that indicate this group is up to no good. Keep the reports coming in. Over.”
SS: “This is Sugar Shack. We’re now getting widespread reports that this group is getting ready to start something so we think it needs to be dispersed. We can’t use airpower or artillery lest we get collateral damage. Forward Bacon, are you in a position to engage? Over.”
O2: “This is Forward Bacon. Negative, Sugar Shack. We are too close and we would get fried after the shot. Over.”
SS: “This is Sugar Shack. Understood. We certainly don’t want any fried Forward Bacon in that area. Vigilant Syrup, how about you guys? Can you take a shot? Over.”
O1: “This is Vigilant Syrup. We probably could but we would have to leave too much gear behind as we don’t want to stick around for long after we take the shot. Over.”
SS: “This is Sugar Shack. This is a sticky situation. We don’t want to start leaving our gear all over the place unless we had absolutely no choice. Ok, we’ll go with Urgent Poutine. Standby.”
SS: “This is Sugar Shack. Urgent Poutine we are going to need you guys to take a shot. Let’s start the targeting sequence. Over.”
ST: “This is Urgent Poutine, give us a minute here; Jean-Guy needs to take a leak, bad. And I need one too. Over.”
SS: “This is Sugar Shack, we understand. We certainly don’t want you to be shooting the 50 with a full bladder. Yuck, that would be messy with all that processed 50. Advise when ready. Over.”
O2: “This is Forward Bacon, looks like Urgent Poutine has already been through one of the cases of two four. There won’t be any beer left for us at this rate. Over.”
O1: “This is Vigilant Syrup. We hope Urgent Poutine will be able to understand and use the data we’ll be giving them. Jean-Guy and Moose can be hard-headed and tone-deaf after several beers. Over.”
ST: “This is Urgent Poutine. On station. We can make out some activity in the designated area and only one building in H7. Standing by. Over.”
SS: "This is Sugar Shack; we're switching to secure channel now."
End of intercepted communication.
The following is the intercepted communications between the Canadian JTF2 sniper team, the command center called Sugar Shack and various downrange observers when the longest sniper shot was taken Iraq.
JTF2 Sniper Team: “Sugar Shack, this is Urgent Poutine, we have arrived at our destination. Jean-Guy is preparing his site and unpacking the 50. Over. “
Sugar Shack: “Urgent Poutine, this is Sugar Shack, understood. We’re guessing you mean the beer, not the weapon because our supply of Labatt’s 50 diminished greatly when you guys took off. All we have left is Molson Blue. Over.”
Observer 1: “Urgent Poutine, this is Vigilant Syrup, keep some beers for us, eh. We’ll need a few after this mission is over. Over.”
ST: “Vigilant Syrup, this is Urgent Poutine, I’ll try to save a few for you. I’ll hide them from Jean-Guy by putting them in the ammo box. Over.”
Observer 2: “Urgent Poutine, this is Forward Bacon, keep a few for us also, please. Over.”
ST: “Forward Bacon, Vigilant Syrup. This is Urgent Poutine. We only brought two cases of two-four. You only get a pair each. Next time, bring your own. Over.”
SS: “Hey hosers, this is Sugar Shack. Can we please focus on the mission and the 50 and not worry about the 50. I mean, not worry about the beer? Now cut the chatter, get into position and report when ready. Over.”
Half-hour of silence.
O1: “Vigilant Syrup. Ready.”
ST: “Urgent Poutine. Burp, I mean, Ready.”
O2: “Forward Bacon. Ready.”
SS: “This is Sugar Shack. Understood.”
2 hours of silence.
O2: “This is Forward Bacon, we see movement near building H7, north east side. A group of military age males is assembling. About 5 so far, carrying boxes. Over.”
SS: “Forward Bacon, understood. We are getting reports from around town that groups and individuals carrying boxes are headed in that direction. Urgent Poutine, are you able to monitor any of that activity? Over.”
ST: “Sugar Shack, this is Urgent Poutine. I’m seeing two buildings H7 in the riflescope. Moose says he only sees one in his spotting scope but he’s checking further. Over.”
20 minutes of silence.
O1: “This is Vigilant Syrup, we’re monitoring the assemblage here. Looks like 20 people so far, all with boxes. Over.”
SS: “This is Sugar Shack. The reports keep coming in from other sources that indicate this group is up to no good. Keep the reports coming in. Over.”
SS: “This is Sugar Shack. We’re now getting widespread reports that this group is getting ready to start something so we think it needs to be dispersed. We can’t use airpower or artillery lest we get collateral damage. Forward Bacon, are you in a position to engage? Over.”
O2: “This is Forward Bacon. Negative, Sugar Shack. We are too close and we would get fried after the shot. Over.”
SS: “This is Sugar Shack. Understood. We certainly don’t want any fried Forward Bacon in that area. Vigilant Syrup, how about you guys? Can you take a shot? Over.”
O1: “This is Vigilant Syrup. We probably could but we would have to leave too much gear behind as we don’t want to stick around for long after we take the shot. Over.”
SS: “This is Sugar Shack. This is a sticky situation. We don’t want to start leaving our gear all over the place unless we had absolutely no choice. Ok, we’ll go with Urgent Poutine. Standby.”
SS: “This is Sugar Shack. Urgent Poutine we are going to need you guys to take a shot. Let’s start the targeting sequence. Over.”
ST: “This is Urgent Poutine, give us a minute here; Jean-Guy needs to take a leak, bad. And I need one too. Over.”
SS: “This is Sugar Shack, we understand. We certainly don’t want you to be shooting the 50 with a full bladder. Yuck, that would be messy with all that processed 50. Advise when ready. Over.”
O2: “This is Forward Bacon, looks like Urgent Poutine has already been through one of the cases of two four. There won’t be any beer left for us at this rate. Over.”
O1: “This is Vigilant Syrup. We hope Urgent Poutine will be able to understand and use the data we’ll be giving them. Jean-Guy and Moose can be hard-headed and tone-deaf after several beers. Over.”
ST: “This is Urgent Poutine. On station. We can make out some activity in the designated area and only one building in H7. Standing by. Over.”
SS: "This is Sugar Shack; we're switching to secure channel now."
End of intercepted communication.
Prose
Silver $$ Contributor
Your first two paragraphs were pretty convincing.
Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
I should think they had all manners of handheld devices to help plot the trajectory. The environmental data for their location would be easy to get, they would have all the bullet/load data. The two items that would be critical are exact distance (down to almost the meter at that trajectory,)and the wind speed & direction at different distances downrange. I can easily believe that you would have different and even contradictory wind readings at different distances over 2.2 miles. If they had someone feeding them wind a mile down or some such, that would help a lot.
The computing device could be programmed to feed different winds at various distances, especially as the bullet is slowing down and descending. I believe the apex of the trajectory is something like 90 meters; wind is different as you go up.
All speculation, of course.
The computing device could be programmed to feed different winds at various distances, especially as the bullet is slowing down and descending. I believe the apex of the trajectory is something like 90 meters; wind is different as you go up.
All speculation, of course.
Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
Received a new link in my email today.
https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-history-behind-canadas-record-breaking-sniper-kill-1796554416
Watch the videos, one is a great interview with Rob Furlong.
https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-history-behind-canadas-record-breaking-sniper-kill-1796554416
Watch the videos, one is a great interview with Rob Furlong.
muleman69
USMC -1st marine Div. RVN
Happen to been in the same camp were Carlos got burned when the track machine he was riding in hit a mine and burned him terribly bad. It was in a landing zone called LZ Baldy and he was in a track machine from 1st motors battalion .If you get a chance read the marine sniper, you will not put it down until done.
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