Load from a disk or Quickload?

[ar10ar15man]

i think,,,a dangerous process, that biged believes the three data sources, or at least the two in PRINT are bibles. that the data is striaght from gawd and the lab...hard facts of life...

and it just aint so....al three are reference data.....

the difference in the three is that you can tune ql to your guns and your lots of powder....

 

[Nomad47]

Bill who?

 

[bigedp51]

no..your question is wasting bandwidth...

call the publishers of the three sets of data and ask them....

sorry you are wasting band with this this sidetracked question...

powders vary from lot to lot
primers vary from lot to lot
brass varies from pc to pc and lot to lot
bullets vary from lot to lot
bbls are all different...and
you think three source data's should all agree ??
you are wating everyone time

your powder charge with that powder and your listed case capacity is 108%.....and way over pressure....
so what book did this come from ???
the entire load came from what book ???

And none of you have answered a single question I asked.

And YOU still don't get it, I entered the data from the Hornady manual, the powder, the bullet, OAL, case capacity, and Quickload spit out 108% and the high pressure.............and Quickload is wrong!

I asked for anyone to cross check the data I entered into Quikload to see if it is a bad Quickload install or a computer glitz, and no one did anything.

the difference in the three is that you can tune ql to your guns and your lots of powder....

And all you can say is everything varies and not even READ my postings and the data I inputted. Your a real big help :

 

[bigedp51]

Bill who?

He moves his lips when he reads and does not comprehend what he is reading. :

 

[Nomad47]

BigEd, I made an offer to help you. I don't understand what you were just trying to say. Please explain.

 

[BoydAllen]

I stand by what wrote, all of it. It is you who has behaved badly in this thread, first by condescendingly telling someone that he was wasting bandwidth, and later by all the bluster that followed. When you are in a hole looking up, stop digging. In any of this, have you seen anyone come to the defense of your position? Perhaps there is a good reason for that.

 

[bigedp51]

Nomad47

You would think Quickload would be close to reloading manual data if you input the manufactures bullet, the weight powder, cartridge overall length, case capacity, trim length, etc.

The example I gave was 10,000 PSI over the maximum rated chamber pressure for that cartridge. What I'm saying is even the average powder charge from severial manuals is closer than what MY copy of Quickload is outputting.

What I'm saying is Quickload is varying 20,000 psi from the manuals, I can live with a 5,000 psi error or difference but what I'm getting makes no sense because the pressures are so far apart from the manuals.

I bought Quickload because I have a bolt action .223 with a 26 inch barrel, a AR15 A2 HBAR with a 20 inch barrel and a AR15 carbine with a 16 inch barrel. And I wanted to check pressures and see if one powder would work in all three rifles.

 

[Nomad47]

Ed, I went back to your 30-06 example. Then I input data from an old load I had for a 30-06 I no longer own. Powder was Varget and bullet was 150 SST. I adjusted 'weighting factor' to 0.45 because I believe the lighter for caliber bullets act similar to an over bore cartridge (just one of my ways of using QL). I then had to adjust Powder Ba to .6427 to get QuickLoad to agree with the velocity I had measured with my chronograph. QL then showed that I was right at max pressure which was true.
What state do you live in, Ed?

 

[bigedp51]

Edit below: With the exception of Nomad47 who "IS" helping!

I stand by what wrote, all of it. It is you who has behaved badly in this thread, first by condescendingly telling someone that he was wasting bandwidth, and later by all the bluster that followed. When you are in a hole looking up, stop digging. In any of this, have you seen anyone come to the defense of your position? Perhaps there is a good reason for that.

You can stand on your head for all I care, NOT one of you answered my questions, and the answers that I did get look like this below.

powders vary from lot to lot
primers vary from lot to lot
brass varies from pc to pc and lot to lot
bullets vary from lot to lot
bbls are all different...and
you think three source data's should all agree ??
you are wating everyone time

And YOU tell me MY answers are condescending!


It seems from all the non-answers that Quickload needs a chronograph to be accurate and none of you can tell me why without a chronograph the out put is so far off with Quickload.


Quickload Reloading Software-User Tips (from Accurateshooter.com)
And he states it should be accurate within 25 to 30 fps of your chronograph.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1If91Nx-QU

 

[bigedp51]

What state do you live in, Ed?

In the state of anger and confusion.

And its sad that only one person offers to help.

Question, did my Quickload output match yours, the output is so far off I'm leaning on a bad install or a operating system error.

Now another question, do you have to juggle these figures with each powder and bullet? If so I will stick to the manuals and my workup loads.

 

[Nomad47]

When I entered all the date from your screen my 3.8 version matched your velocity and pressure. So your copy of QL appears to be OK. But, again, when I tweaked weighting factor (which really wasn't necessary) and powder Ba, QuickLoad matched my 30-06 results.

To answer your second question. Yes, you do have to juggle some figures, but not not for everything every time. As an example, after shooting 105 Hybrids with RL-22 in my 6-284, I adjusted powder Ba to match the velocity I recorded. After switching to 95 VLDs, that new powder Ba was right on the money. Now if I had changed primers I would need to make a Ba adjustment simply because a hotter or cooler primer will cause the burning rate of a powder to change. Or if I had gone from a jump to a jam, I would have had to adjust 'shot start pressure'.

Now we all know that no manual exists that can predict max pressure in all our rifles. I have even seen one manual whose max pressure prediction was high for one bullet weight and low for a different bullet weight. Same rifle, same powder, same primer, just different bullet weights. So manuals are not perfect. And neither is QuickLoad. But QL allows me to make adjustments that make it more accurate. But adjustments are needed.

Ed, you can use QL to get an idea of how the same powder will behave in your three barrel lengths. Change barrel lengths while watching % of powder burnt. You can also use QL to find a powder that will burn completely in all three barrels (or nearly so). There is a button I call the "what if" button (it has 1,2,3 down the left side) and it is very useful in comparing powders.

Hope this helps. BTW, I will be passing thru several states on my way from AZ to NC then on to PA and OH. If I will pass near you, my offer still stands to help in person.

 

[ar10ar15man]

what hornady book what page...
does anyone else have this book...

whats missing...i have never seen case capacity in a load book...i i think ed made up his own......


some one jup in

winchester says 748 with a 200 gr honr is either 38 /2.540or 39 /2.510.....lots of 200 grs out there....
both are low pressure.....


ed.

THEY ARE REFERENCE INFORMATION PERIOD....
every source says you must work up your own load....
without velocity, you are lost,,,,you need a chonograph to use any source data
there are few facts in reloading manuals...it is REFERENCE MATERIAL ONLY
the error, the desire to have one right or one wrong..IS YOUR MISTAKE.......
YOU ARE THINKING THE PROCESS WRONG