Lester Bruno is advertising H-4350 in stock

[MSS]

Amazing. I guess if people will pay for it...me personally, I’ll stick with other vendors.

 

[Dos XX]

What? People don't like capitalism?

What do you want, socialism? You want subsidized powder pricing? You want communism? We split up all the available powder? It is capitalism as it supposed to work. If you don't like it, take your wallet somewhere else. People act like they are owed something when it comes to shooting component pricing.

If you go to a car lot and don't like the deal offered by the dealer on a new turbo charged, digitally equipped, blue tooth driven, self parking, auto braking, schizophrenic disabled start system monster truck, what do you do? You go to another dealer.

You don't like Sear's price on the finest hand made in Cambodia Levi jeans, what do you do? You go to Wal Mart or buy them on Amazon. Same thing applies here.

 

[Medic505]

We split up all the available powder?

Yeah and we're going to split it right down to the last kernel......

 

[nakneker]

I visit Bruno’s three or four times a year. His son runs the counter and he is a really nice guy to deal with. It’s a nice store, fun to browse. Every now and again they have a decent sale but I tend to buy on the net out of state to avoid AZ sales tax. Lester has charged a premium on hard to get items ever since the shortage and it doesn’t seem to hurt him too bad. I don’t really agree with his supply and demand pricing but Dos XX hit it on the head. It’s his store, he can price gouge all he wants, kinda of a crappy policy but there’s an ass for every saddle.

 

[Dos XX]

there’s an ass for every saddle.

Classic. I will be using that one.

 

[Sig21]

.how is is so amazing that a vendor pays more for product and resale it with there same margins from before ...now they are gouging......

supply and demand and capitalism.

 

[Berger.Fan222]

I'd pay $50 more for an 8 lb jug of powder if it was the only option to prevent me from having to work up new loads with a different powder. Once I find a sweet load, I stick with it if at all possible. H4350 is good stuff. It usually takes a couple trips to the range to work out all the kinks with a new powder. I'd rather pay the $50 and spend my time improving other things - like my own skills.

 

[ben lurkin]

Oh, look at that, he already sold out his entire stock of H4350!

Just checked his website and H4350 is backorderable only.

In that case he priced it appropriately at $250 a jug. Folks, this is how capitalism works. Nobody is forcing you to buy it.

 

[Mudcat]

and the fact that it is priced at $250 probably keeps the hoarders at bay and the folks buying it are the ones who actually need it and are using it vs hoarding it.

 

[MSS]

Theres a distinction between capitalism and price gouging. Charging folks $50 for a case of water was deemed illegal in FL. I am not accusing anyone of price gouging here - just pointing out the distinction. I am also not knocking capitalism. I am a huge proponent of free market capitalism which is why I will shop elsewhere.

 

[JLT]

'The price a willing buyer will pay a willing seller when all relevant facts are known and neither is under compulsion to buy or sell.' - That's what stuff is worth.

 

[Kurz]

Oh, look at that, he already sold out his entire stock of H4350!

Just checked his website and H4350 is backorderable only.

That seems to apply to the 1 lb. bottles only:

43508 Hodgdon Powder H4350 - 8lb Item #800 In Stock $250.00 (as of this morning post time).

We all have our own levels of expectations and limits for pricing of almost any product. When the product reaches our limit, the soul searching begins, 'Do I really need this or can it wait...'

Generally, someone else does the legwork and finds a supplier with better pricing so we all run to them for fulfillment. Or we find a substitute for the product we want to use. I found a substitute for H4350 and I don't need any now or in the near future. Others, as above, prefer to spend the money as opposed to testing new components. There is no right or wrong just differing opinions. It's all a balance with what you want and are willing to pay for or expend effort switching.

Regards.

ADDED:

The last e-mail sale flyer I just received today has the H4350 marked as 'Backorder' now.

 

[TAJ45]

It's interesting how people get on the Capitalist, Socialist, "I can do what I want with my business" bandwagon.

The topic being addressed is GREED within our Shooting Community.
Integrity? The bell shaped curve has to start somewhere.

 

[The German]

Not sure what their purchase price is, but if they just bought it so they can offer it in their store at all, they might have paid a premium as well. If not, they should be put on the spot - but I doubt that we will know for sure. "in dubio pro reo..."

 

[DIBBS]

Not sure where someone came up with the idea that Bruno's was paying a premium price for their powder. I seriously doubt it, but that's just one man's opinion.

Like others have said, as soon as the shortages started, the high demand powder prices went through the roof at Bruno's, while other folks have shown minimum increases. I won't do business with someone that , in my humble opinion, is trying to line their pockets excessively with my hard earned money.

 

[dcali]

Suppose you’ve got $200 to spend on a jug. That’s your bottom line - you’ve got a match coming up you don’t want to miss. On the other hand, rent is due soon too. So $200 is the most you’ll pay comfortably.

You hit the shop and there are two jugs available for $100. Shit. Why not buy two? There’s an election coming up. So you do. Yo can always sell one later if you don’t need it, and probably for a profit.

Then your buddy joe walks in the next day. He is also willing to spend $200 for a jug. Alas, there are none. You bought them both. Joe misses the match for lack of powder and is forced to instead go to his sister in law’s kid’s graduation.

So what would happen if the gun shop had instead gouged its patrons due to the shortage, and raised its prices to $200/jug. You both get powder. You both paid what you thought was a fair price. The gun shop gets more money. Everyone is happy.

The market is what it is. There isn’t any way to shortcut it.

 

[kneedtospeed]

That's what's wrong with some of you.
I'd Take it to Joe's House, for the same $100 I Paid!

WTF with the new math??

 

[madmixerman]

That's what's wrong with some of you.
I'd Take it to Joe's House, for the same $100 I Paid!

WTF with the new math??

Apparently Joe must not be his buddy.

 

[Eraser]

I remember during the shortage that CHEAPER THEN DIRT was getting a lot of bad press for inflated prices/ gouging, and I was in agreement. But then a poster that , I think, may have been a business man had this to offer. He had suggested that, "in times of shortages, profits go down due to no or not enough product to sell, so prices go up." This gave me a different perspective on the matter. You have to make a profit to stay in business. I'm not defending Bruno, he is way high on his shit, but maybe not everyone is gouging when they raise their prices.... Just a thought.
I hope I didn't get to far off base here.

 

[rckendall]

Suppose you’ve got $200 to spend on a jug. That’s your bottom line - you’ve got a match coming up you don’t want to miss. On the other hand, rent is due soon too. So $200 is the most you’ll pay comfortably.

You hit the shop and there are two jugs available for $100. Shit. Why not buy two? There’s an election coming up. So you do. Yo can always sell one later if you don’t need it, and probably for a profit.

Then your buddy joe walks in the next day. He is also willing to spend $200 for a jug. Alas, there are none. You bought them both. Joe misses the match for lack of powder and is forced to instead go to his sister in law’s kid’s graduation.

So what would happen if the gun shop had instead gouged its patrons due to the shortage, and raised its prices to $200/jug. You both get powder. You both paid what you thought was a fair price. The gun shop gets more money. Everyone is happy.

The market is what it is. There isn’t any way to shortcut it.

I think you may have misrepresented your senerio. If both guys had to pay $200 for something that was worth $100, they would both feel gouged.

That is the point of this discussion.