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Lee APP - cases getting stuck to shell holder

Hi,

I recently bought a Lee APP press and I am getting a few hiccups. When seizing 9mm cases, some of them get stuck on the shell holder (to the top part of it) requiring to be pushed down by hand to cycle the press.

The cases are not lubed and I am using a RCBS carbide die. It is more frequent with cases that require more force to size (not a lot of force nonetheless). I have also tried to use a Lee carbide die with the same results.

This does not happen with .32 S&W Long, .38/.357, or with .45CP.

Any thoughts on what it might be?

With kind regards,
TQB
 
Sounds like the cases have bulged. It happens when the cases are not fully supported while firing like in a glock or similar handguns.
Sizing dies won’t be able to take care of that. Take a look at Lee bulge buster.
 
Lee- The App gets its speedy operation in part by the use of a new shell holder. We call it the X-press shell holder. The new shell holder allows the case to pass through the shell holder after the operations are performed.91534.jpg
 
When seizing 9mm cases, some of them get stuck on the shell holder (to the top part of it) requiring to be pushed down by hand to cycle the press.
I played with running the APP when I first got one. I was interested in how it would compare to a Dillon when doing nasty case prep on ugly brass with crimped primers or stuff with bad bulges, or full auto use, etc..

At first I used wet/pin tumble to make sure I could get a clean clear view for visual inspection. That worked for getting a good view of the brass, but it also caused problems with operations like sizing. When the brass was "too clean" it caused friction problems and higher forces.

In theory, you may not need lube for straight wall pistol brass when using a carbide die, but lube does reduce the force considerably. When brass is wet/pin tumbled or ultrasonic cleaned, it can create a friction problem, but not always.

Friction is one of those statistical problems, so what you might find working for those other calibers might not work for examples were the forces might get high enough to trigger the problem. It isn't a stead problem and can be just the ones that are bulged, but when it comes and goes it can be frustrating.

I found that tumbling in walnut was a decent compromise to avoid wet tumbling and it also produced lower forces on the dies and it had a positive effect on those hard extraction pulls that minimized rims wanting to jam on the shell holder from being pulled too hard.

Before I found that the walnut tumble had some sort of magic, I played with graphite and other wet lubes. Those lubes required another tumble operation to remove, but they did work very well. I was glad the walnut tumble worked so I avoided the extra steps. I really loath processing pistol cases to screen for crimped or small/large primers, but I learned that if I don't it ruins the work flow.

The APP is a clever machine, but that shell holder that enables it to work fast is not good at anything that takes high forces on the dies, especially the extraction forces since the rim is not well supported.

You may want to look real close at your shell holder and detail any sharp edges and look for burrs. I broke those edges under magnification cause I can't see up close any more without reading glasses. Detailing those edges will help prevent them from digging into the cases when the forces get high.

In general, I think that if the APP is used for sizing, you should consider lube to keep die forces low. If you can play with a recipe that doesn't require a lube and the extra steps to clean that up, then it should reduce the forces to the point where the cases don't jam on that shell holder.
 
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I use my APP for depriming only. I have found over the course of a long time that all 9MM rims ARE NOT THE SAME SIZE. Check the headstamps on the ones getting stuck, see if their all the same.
 
Lightly lube the cases. I use ROYAL CASE LUBE.

Even when using carbide dies, some lube is beneficial for cases and carbide dies.

Find that I only have to lightly lube every third case.
 
Sounds like the cases have bulged. It happens when the cases are not fully supported while firing like in a glock or similar handguns.
Sizing dies won’t be able to take care of that. Take a look at Lee bulge buster.
Agree. But the bulge buster kit for the APP press will not work with 9mm and Lee says the 380 will not work for the 9x19. I read somewhere where the 9mm Makarov sizer will work for the 9x19 so I ordered one and it works fine. I also noticed different force needed to resize with my Hornady carbide die resizing range pickup brass but had no problems. I agree with RR above the cases need to be clean.
 
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The big advantage to the APP bulge method, is that it is a simple push-through ring die and doesn't push and pull a case in and out of a die.

And they are technically correct about using a push through ring die on 9mm Parabellum since it is a tapered case and in theory a ring must clear the rim so it can't force that part of the case body where the bulge happens, but it seems to work close enough for many of us.

That taper is just small enough that the ring that barely clears the rim will fix a small or medium bulge. Really bad ones will wrinkle unless they are run through a roll sizer so if they are that bad I chuck them or give them to the local range where they have a roll sizer. Those bad ones are becoming rare as time goes on and those gun designs are replaced with ones that support the case better.
 
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I will check on the brand of the brass of those that stuck.
I am ultrasonic cleaning the brass, and that might be one of the causes.
The brass doesn't seem to have bulges, but I will be looking for them in the future.
I will start to lube the cases to size in the Lee APP. As RegionRat said the x press shell holders have a small contact surface area with the rim of the case.

Thank You all for the insight.
Tiago
 

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