Le Wilson vs little crows worlds best trimmer

[DngBat7]

Any opinions between these two trimmers? I was set on the Wilson, But the worlds best trimmer seems to be a “faster option”. I won’t compromise quality, so it’s not necessarily about being faster. But if they are as good as each other, I would go the faster route. If anybody has experience with both. Please chime in. The only negative thing a few people said is that the worlds best measures off shoulder. Some did not like that

I know some will say the girard, But I am only wondering between these 2 trimmers

Thanks

 

[TheOtherZilla]

I use the Lil Crow, Worlds Finest trimmer for my 5.56 brass.. I haven't used any other but it's pretty darn fast.. No problems here.. I do not think there is a bad choice here.

 

[DngBat7]

I use the Lil Crow, Worlds Finest trimmer for my 5.56 brass.. I haven't used any other but it's pretty darn fast.. No problems here.. I do not think there is a bad choice here.

Ok. Thanks. Are you using it for general “bulk” reloading? Or more precision reloading?

And does the shoulder affect the trimming? Some people were complaining that fired brass because of the stretched shoulder was not working


Thanks again

 

[Richard Coody]

i hate trimming brass

i have Geraud, forster and wilson.

the gerauds are for specific calibers. fast and easy. like the WFT but i think better.
http://www.giraudtool.com/Tri Way Trimmer.htm

just quit using the hand trimmers even with an electric screwdriver

this is my most recent favorite
http://www.pmatool.com/pma-micro-adjust-trimmer/

with this for a case driver
http://www.pmatool.com/case-prep-lathe/

 

[swd]

I used an RCBS lathe trimmer for years. A couple years ago I bought a WTF and what difference. Case trimming went from my most hated part of loading to something that's almost fun.

 

[ireload2]

For general use on the widest selection of cartridges the Forster is more flexible than either you named.
If you go down the trail of an odd ball round you will not be able to get a Wilson case holder unless it is custom made.
The collets of the standard Forster trimmer will pretty much hold any case smaller than a .577 Snider. The classic Forster will handle many even larger cases.

If you hate trimming brass measure your chamber to learn the maximum length a loaded case can be. Then don't trim unless it is necessary. Not trimming is faster than any kind of trimmer.

 

[fguffey]

The only negative thing a few people said is that the worlds best measures off shoulder. Some did not like that

I have said for years a reloader should know the length of the chamber from the datum/shoulder to the bolt face. A well informed reloader would not worry about how the case was set up to be trimmed. It goes all the way back the Wilson case gage. In the big inning it was very clear the case gage was a datum based tool. Problem: reloaders have a big problem with datums. When the case is placed into the Wilson case gage the neck can protrude and at the same time the case head can protrude or the neck can protrude and the case head can be flush with the base of the gage, etc.

PROBLEM?! The reloader measures the length of the case from the end of the neck to the case head and disregards all of the information that can be gleaned from measuring the case in the case gage. Back when Wilson developed the case gage the case did not have head space, case head space was not developed until the invention of the Internet. It was about that time teloaders became experts. And I wonder how is that possible when they never read the instructions for the case gage.

Anyhow, the case length can be measured from the datum/shoulder to the end of the neck and the length of the case can be measured from the datum to the case head, those that can figure that out knows how to use a trimmer that sets up on the shoulder or the case head.

Again: I have a 30/06 EK rifle that has a chamber that is .016" longer than a minimum length/full length sized case. I know that means nothing to anyone here but I add .014" to the length of the case because I use the length of the case from the datum to the case head to off set the length of the chamber. That is a round about method for getting the magic .002" clearance.

F. Guffey

 

[Toolbreaker]

Any opinions between these two trimmers? I was set on the Wilson, But the worlds best trimmer seems to be a “faster option”. I won’t compromise quality, so it’s not necessarily about being faster. But if they are as good as each other, I would go the faster route. If anybody has experience with both. Please chime in. The only negative thing a few people said is that the worlds best measures off shoulder. Some did not like that

I know some will say the girard, But I am only wondering between these 2 trimmers

Thanks

I've owned both & still use the Wilson. It's more consistent for me and honestly, I just like it more.

 

[fguffey]

And does the shoulder affect the trimming? Some people were complaining that fired brass because of the stretched shoulder was not working

That depends on how informed the reloader is. The Wilson case gage measure from the datum to the end of the neck and from the datum to the case head. And then there is that long list of reloaders that demand the case be trimmed after sizing. And then there is that very loud group that demands the die should be adjusted to size the case from the shoulder to the case head less .002" to set clearance. SO? The informed reloader sizes the case to off set the length of the chamber from the shoulder to the bolt face and is only concerned with the length of the neck from the datum to the end of the neck.

F. Guffey

 

[Eddie Harren]

""The informed reloader sizes the case to off set the length of the chamber from the shoulder to the bolt face and is only concerned with the length of the neck from the datum to the end of the neck."

 

[DngBat7]

""The informed reloader sizes the case to off set the length of the chamber from the shoulder to the bolt face and is only concerned with the length of the neck from the datum to the end of the neck."

Since I don’t really understand at this level. Tell me which is the better way. Wilson or won’t/Pma tool?

 

[DngBat7]

That depends on how informed the reloader is. The Wilson case gage measure from the datum to the end of the neck and from the datum to the case head. And then there is that long list of reloaders that demand the case be trimmed after sizing. And then there is that very loud group that demands the die should be adjusted to size the case from the shoulder to the case head less .002" to set clearance. SO? The informed reloader sizes the case to off set the length of the chamber from the shoulder to the bolt face and is only concerned with the length of the neck from the datum to the end of the neck.

F. Guffey

Since I don’t really understand at this level. Tell me which is the better way. Wilson or won’t/Pma tool?

 

[swd]

If there was an award to given Eddie just won it!! LOL

 

[fguffey]

Since I don’t really understand at this level. Tell me which is the better way. Wilson or won’t/Pma tool?

The OP does not understand the trimmer that sets up on the shoulder of the case; his information is coming from users that do not understand the trimmer that sets up on the shoulder of the case. I could ask; "What is there that reloaders do not understand about trimmers that set up on the shoulder?"

Dan S., you are one of the few that is honest, most reloaders blindly full length size the case to minimum length/full length size, when that happens it does not matter how the case length is measured and it does not matter if the case is set up to be trimmed from the case head and or the shoulder. But if I have a long chamber from the shoulder of the chamber to bolt face I must consider the distance from the datum to the bolt face when trimming with a trimmer that sets up on the shoulder of the case; meaning the case body protrudes from the case holder and held by the reloader.

I sold a Gassy case trimmer, the reason for getting rid of it had more to do with the cost of case holders, I sold a Dillon case trimmer for the same reason. The Dillon uses sizing dies, it had nothing to do with speed and accuracy, with case trimmers a decision should be made, if the reloader is shooting thousands and thousands of cases for one chamber then spending $400.00 for a case trimmer including the case holder makes a lot of sense.

My favorite trimmer is the case forming die, I have Wilson case trimmers that go back to the early '50s, I also have a box of case holders for the Wilson, some home made, some for fired cases and others for sized cases. After that I have RCBS, Hornady and Lyman Case trimmers. And Lee, I have Lee trimmers, I do not use them but I have them JIC.

F. Guffey

 

[TheOtherZilla]

Ok. Thanks. Are you using it for general “bulk” reloading? Or more precision reloading?

And does the shoulder affect the trimming? Some people were complaining that fired brass because of the stretched shoulder was not working


Thanks again

I reload in bulk, as I shoot a lot for fun.. I have not had any feeding problems other than I had my sizing die adjusted wrong once.. I use a small base die..

Edit: To clarify I also have an RCBS motorized trimmer. I have artheritus bad and can't use the hand crank style. The only brass I use the Lil Crow on is my 5.56 brass..

 

[DngBat7]

The OP does not understand the trimmer that sets up on the shoulder of the case; his information is coming from users that do not understand the trimmer that sets up on the shoulder of the case. I could ask; "What is there that reloaders do not understand about trimmers that set up on the shoulder?"

Dan S., you are one of the few that is honest, most reloaders blindly full length size the case to minimum length/full length size, when that happens it does not matter how the case length is measured and it does not matter if the case is set up to be trimmed from the case head and or the shoulder. But if I have a long chamber from the shoulder of the chamber to bolt face I must consider the distance from the datum to the bolt face when trimming with a trimmer that sets up on the shoulder of the case; meaning the case body protrudes from the case holder and held by the reloader.

I sold a Gassy case trimmer, the reason for getting rid of it had more to do with the cost of case holders, I sold a Dillon case trimmer for the same reason. The Dillon uses sizing dies, it had nothing to do with speed and accuracy, with case trimmers a decision should be made, if the reloader is shooting thousands and thousands of cases for one chamber then spending $400.00 for a case trimmer including the case holder makes a lot of sense.

My favorite trimmer is the case forming die, I have Wilson case trimmers that go back to the early '50s, I also have a box of case holders for the Wilson, some home made, some for fired cases and others for sized cases. After that I have RCBS, Hornady and Lyman Case trimmers. And Lee, I have Lee trimmers, I do not use them but I have them JIC.

F. Guffey

Here is the thing, I ordered the Le Wilson ultimate trimmer from Sinclair’s because they are having a good sale. Even tho I don’t shoot benchrest, I like to learn to do things the most precise way. That’s fun for me. Saying that, I am a beginner.

I reload as followed. I have factory hornady eld m that I have shot, It is now fireformed to my chamber. I will only be neck sizing till I am forced to full length resize.

So do I go with a Wilson that measurers off the whole case? Or a pma/ wbt trimmer that goes off the shoulder? (Seeing it’s fire formed brass). I do not have 500 dollars to spend on an expensive trimmer.

 

[BoydAllen]

I have a trimmer that works off of the head of the case, and others that work off of the shoulder. On the question of which is better, let's consider what happens when a round if fired. The first thing that happens is that the case if moved forward to the point where the case shoulder is stopped by the chamber shoulder. To me this means that the shoulder to ogive distance is the most important for maintaining a consistent seating depth relative to the rifling. As a practical matter we like to have a consistent amount of shoulder bump which would make either approach work. A lot of really excellent shooting has been done with cases trimmed with a Wilson trimmer. I will continue to use mine, but when I have a lot of cases that I want to process efficiently, I will use my PMA Tool trimmer that indexes off of case shoulders, in combination with their case driver setup. Once a case is in the holder/driver I trim it, chamfer, and debur in sequence, before removing it from the holder. If the inside of the neck needs brushing, I will do that as well. From a case mouth squareness perspective, turning the case rather than the cutter seems to be a better approach, for the same reason that we spin the barrel rather than the reamer when chambrering, although I do not think that my Wilson has created any problems in this area.

 

[CT10ring]

I have and use a Wilson Case trimmer. It's easy to use, "relatively" fast to use.
Easy to set up.
It's a hand powered mini lathe.
You'll have to chamfer case neck in & out after, but you'd do than anyway...
I wouldn't use for many hundreds of rounds needing trimming per month.
I just used mine to trim 6X47 400 Lapua brass to a uniform 1.845" 2 nights...
It takes a shellholder for each specific family of cases to hold the brass.
I think it's a great tool, precise. Not fast. A good $ value with options for many case types.
Measures off the case head for overall length - I look at a case diagram and cut. (trim when at max, usually down .005 -.007") I may over trim a bit, but I'm good w that.

Works well for me for many thousands of cases over the years.

 

[CT10ring]

I should add that I have never seen the other 2 (3?) trimmers. I find that if one can afford the
more expensive tool up front, you can amortize the cost by using longer, doing the job better & faster-if it's in the budget.
buy once, cry once - a good rule of thumb...

 

[marchboom]

Some trimmers base their measurement off the case head and some off the shoulder datum. Isn't the most important measurement, to get the best trim length, from the shoulder datum of the chamber to the barrel ogive? When the firing pin hits the primer it drives the case forward until the case shoulder stops at the shoulder portion of the chamber. Once the cartridge has stopped the important part is that the neck does not hit the rifling. Hence, the need for trimming.

I use an RCBS trimmer with the paddle handle and it works great, and it's fast. But it does occasionally cut undersize by .004-.005". There are a number of trimmers that use the case shoulder datum as the reference. Seems that this would be the best measurement to use for consistency.

I may have my thinking wrong here and if so please correct me.