LE Wilson Bushing FL Sizing die

[Ironworker]

The Bushing that fits perfectly in LE Wilson die measures .5018. I have a Redding Bushing that measures 4993. What problems will it create if I use this redding Bushing in a Wilson die? My Wilson Bushing is .290 my Redding is .292. A loaded cartridge (ADG Brass) measures .294. Doesn't this mean I'm sizing the neck too much? Should I use a .292 bushing?

 

[D-4297]

The only way to know for sure is to try what you have on a couple of cases , and it should tell you what direction to go . I usually only reduce neck diameter by .0015 if possible , and then use a expander to go up to .0005 under bullet diameter .

 

[bozo699]

The Bushing that fits perfectly in LE Wilson die measures .5018. I have a Redding Bushing that measures 4993. What problems will it create if I use this redding Bushing in a Wilson die? My Wilson Bushing is .290 my Redding is .292. A loaded cartridge (ADG Brass) measures .294. Doesn't this mean I'm sizing the neck too much? Should I use a .292 bushing?

I don’t think it will hurt a thing but if your worried check concentricity on fired case then size it with the .292 and compare it against fired case and against .290 bushing. If your not inducing runout your ok. As to your other question it’s all in what your gun likes, I use to think less is better but my groups told me otherwise
Wayne

 

[Ironworker]

I don’t think it will hurt a thing but if your worried check concentricity on fired case then size it with the .292 and compare it against fired case and against .290 bushing. If your not inducing runout your ok. As to your other question it’s all in what your gun likes, I use to think less is better but my groups told me otherwise
Wayne

I tried it, zero problems.

 

[Bill Norris]

Yea Wilson and Redding bushings inter-change with no issues in my dies.

 

[Dave M.]

The bushing is supposed to free float inside the die. This way the bushing can self center in the die. This is also the reason you don’t lock the bushing down in the die. When you shake the die, you should be able to hear to bushing clicking up and down a tiny bit. I back mine off between 1/4-1/3 turn from completely locked down.
Dave

 

[bozo699]

The bushing is supposed to free float inside the die. This way the bushing can self center in the die. This is also the reason you don’t lock the bushing down in the die. When you shake the die, you should be able to hear to bushing clicking up and down a tiny bit. I back mine off between 1/4-1/3 turn from completely locked down.
Dave

Spot on Dave!
Wayne

 

[bozo699]

Yea Wilson and Redding bushings inter-change with no issues in my dies.

I knew they did Bill I just worded like I did so he could test for hisself. I love my Wilson dies . Dave said it spot on.
Wayne

 

[GetReal]

I know 1 thing about bushings....in fact, all of reloading.... no one else can tell me whats gonna work in my rifle. I gotta try it and see.

 

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Some Frequently Asked Questions​

Question: Do I need to use the expander button that came with my Type "S" Die?

Answer: It is advisable to use an expander button to maintain consistent neck tension if the case necks have not been turned to a uniform wall thickness. However, the expander button can be replaced with the Decapping Pin Retainer (included with your Type "S" Die) if the user does not wish to use an expander button.

Question: I am new to reloading but I want the best Die Set that money can buy. What Dies should I purchase?

While it may be tempting to order our Type "S" Dies or Competition Dies right out of the gate, most new reloaders would be better served with a standard Full Length Die Set. These Dies can produce extremely accurate ammunition and are much easier to use than Bushing/Competition Dies. Moreover, a Standard Die Set is a fantastic way to learn the mechanics of reloading.

Note my comment, a bushing die can produce more neck runout than a standard die. This is due to the standard neck diameter of an off-the-shelf rifle.

 

[GetReal]

Why I mandrel after I neck bushing.

 

[urbanrifleman]

none. It is supposed to float.

 

[Firearmsunlimited]

" It is advisable to use an expander button to maintain consistent neck tension" - this is complete BS! An expander will not change wall thickness and a variation in wall thickness will impact tension. The only way to insure consistent neck tension is to turn the case necks or to purchase brass that has a very consistent neck wall dimension ie Lapua.

"a bushing die can produce more neck runout than a standard die. This is due to the standard neck diameter of an off-the-shelf rifle" Ridiculous statement! The neck area of a rifle chamber has no correlation to runout possibly resulting from sizing with a neck die.

 

[Bill Norris]

" It is advisable to use an expander button to maintain consistent neck tension" - this is complete BS! An expander will not change wall thickness and a variation in wall thickness will impact tension. The only way to insure consistent neck tension is to turn the case necks or to purchase brass that has a very consistent neck wall dimension ie Lapua.

"a bushing die can produce more neck runout than a standard die. This is due to the standard neck diameter of an off-the-shelf rifle" Ridiculous statement! The neck area of a rifle chamber has no correlation to runout possibly resulting from sizing with a neck die.

Absolutely. The brass neck thickness will NOT be changed by an expander, bushing, or any other die part.

I have never experienced a bushing die produce more runout than a standard die in 27 years of hand loading.

 

[rijndael]

I have never experienced a bushing die produce more runout than a standard die in 27 years of hand loading.

I haven't been doing it 27 years, but I definitely have, with a Redding Type S. Interestingly enough, I moved the bushing to a Wilson die and the problem went away.

 

[dgeesaman]

Any chance that after a few firings and reloads using the expander ball system that neck thickness irregularities get evened out like rolling pie dough ?

That’s strikes me as reasonable question but I expect it’s wildly optimistic to think that any expander ball or mandrel will improve varying neck wall thickness.

Said another way, I think the metal would have to be so soft that the neck would rip off during sizing. And necks are not that soft.

To that subject and many like it, could be explored well if I had direct access to the CMM at work. I would play around with various little experiments of this kind. But my work these days doesn’t put me in the CMM room and I’m not quite that motivated to push for it.

 

[Dave M.]

I know 1 thing about bushings....in fact, all of reloading.... no one else can tell me whats gonna work in my rifle. I gotta try it and see.

I agree with that statement for the most part, but when National champion benchrest shooters speak to me, I listen. These guys have got me (and my girlfriend) up to shooting HM scores on a regular basis, and for that I will be forever thankful. Never lock the bushing down in the die.
Dave

 

[Dave M.]

Spot on Dave!
Wayne

Also, I’ve said it so many times on this forum, if people would just try higher neck tension (.003”+) they probably would ask themselves why they waited so long.
Dave

 

[Dave M.]

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Why I mandrel after I neck bushing.

I’d love to see a survey of the best benchrest shooters in the world and how few of them use mandrels. If the best shooters in the world that are chasing the best accuracy and consistently shooting new records, and doing it without using mandrels; should you be using them???
Dave

 

[bozo699]

Also, I’ve said it so many times on this forum, if people would just try higher neck tension (.003”+) they probably would ask themselves why they waited so long.
Dave

I agree with this!…. Not always the case but most of my long range br rifles have benefited from .003-.004 neck tension. I started out much lighter as it was suggested to me to do but it was not the case. Now on the subject of mandrel…. I agree for the most part but they do have there place in precision loading and I have a lot of them.
Wayne