L.E. Wilson 30br FLS bushing die

[rrwildlife]

I hoping a few forum members are using this die and can tell me how much of the neck it leaves unsized. I have been using a Redding 30 br body die and a 30 br neck die making case sizing a 2 step process. The Redding neck die leaves a little of the neck unsized. I purchased the die in the thread title, hoping to make my life a little easier sizing brass, and was surprised by how much of the neck it left unsized ~.193”. The good folks at Wilson will not be back in the shop until Monday so I can’t ask them if this is normal until then. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

I’m using the same .324 wilson neck bushing in both dies (Old Redding neck die and new Wilson fls) and have it adjust tight, and then loosened just enough, so that it rattles when shaken.

Thanks,

Ryan

 

[Bill Norris]

I hoping a few forum members are using this die and can tell me how much of the neck it leaves unsized. I have been using a Redding 30 br body die and a 30 br neck die making case sizing a 2 step process. The Redding neck die leaves a little of the neck unsized. I purchased the die in the thread title, hoping to make my life a little easier sizing brass, and was surprised by how much of the neck it left unsized ~.193”. The good folks at Wilson will not be back in the shop until Monday so I can’t ask them if this is normal until then. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

I’m using the same .324 wilson neck bushing in both dies (Old Redding neck die and new Wilson fls) and have it adjust tight, and then loosened just enough, so that it rattles when shaken.

Thanks,

Ryan

Looks like my Wilson press F/L bushing die is leaving app. .100 un-sized with the same adjustment as you described above. The shelf that the bushing sits on in the Redding dies are thicker than the Wilson dies.

 

[rrwildlife]

Looks like my Wilson press F/L bushing die is leaving app. .100 un-sized with the same adjustment as you described above. The shelf that the bushing sits on in the Redding dies are thicker than the Wilson dies.

Thanks Bill, exactly what I was looking for. I'll play around with the die some more but the unsized portion of my neck is almost 2x what your seeing. Not sure why that would be.

 

[muleystalker]

Try flipping the bushing in the die, some bushings are tapered on the inside, I can't remember for sure but I thought Wilson was one of them. Give that a try and see if it helps

 

[rrwildlife]

Try flipping the bushing in the die, some bushings are tapered on the inside, I can't remember for sure but I thought Wilson was one of them. Give that a try and see if it helps

I'll give that a try. Thanks

 

[rrwildlife]

Flipping the bushing didn't seem to make any diffierence. I may be making a mountain out of a mole hill but leaving ~20% of the neck unsized seems strange. I attached a picture of two cases. The top is sized with the Redding body die and followed up with a Redding neck die. The bottom is the Wilson FLS bushing die. Does this seem like a normal difference between Redding and Wilson bushing dies?

Thanks,

Ryan

 

[AlNyhus]

That's the normal amount that Wilson dies leave unsized.

Some feel the unsized portion of the neck helps to align the case in the chamber so the bullet gets started straighter into the rifling. Others, especially if running a good amount of jam/seat, like to have the entire neck sized.

FWIW, Reddings Type S full length bushing dies can size the entire length if you adjust them to. Also, Wilson can lower the seat the bushing seats on for more sizing.

Is the base of the bullet you use seated below the sized portion of the neck (Wilson die)?

Good shootin' -Al

 

[rrwildlife]

That's the normal amount that Wilson dies leave unsized.

Some feel the unsized portion of the neck helps to align the case in the chamber so the bullet gets started straighter into the rifling. Others, especially if running a good amount of jam/seat, like to have the entire neck sized.

FWIW, Reddings Type S full length bushing dies can size the entire length if you adjust them to. Also, Wilson can lower the seat the bushing seats on for more sizing.

Is the base of the bullet you use seated below the sized portion of the neck (Wilson die)?

Good shootin' -Al

Good morning Al,

Thanks for taking the time to respond. No problems with the base of the bullet ending up below the unsized portion, I have plenty of sized neck where that is not an issue. What are your thoughts on the alignment vs full sized neck issue. Since it's bothering me I guess I don't like it but I don't really have a good reason why, except it seems to deviate from what my mind thinks should be logically right (which could be entirely wrong).

Cheers,

Ryan

 

[AlNyhus]

Ryan, almost all bushing dies leave some of the lower portion of the neck unsized....Wilson, Harrell's, etc. Redding is the only one I've used that allows sizing the entire length.

Maybe Hornady, RCBS, or Forster do....can't say, since I don't use them.

While I prefer to size the entire length of the neck, I've tested that against my dies that leave a portion unsized and haven’t seen any on target difference. This is with my 30BR's and a fair amount of jam/seat.

If you want to test that, Jim Carstenson (JLC Precision) can modify your Redding Body Die to a bushing style die to size the entire neck length. He's done several for me.

Hope this helps. -Al

 

[rrwildlife]

Ryan, almost all bushing dies leave some of the lower portion of the neck unsized....Wilson, Harrell's, etc. Redding is the only one I've used that allows sizing the entire length.

Maybe Hornady, RCBS, or Forster do....can't say, since I don't use them.

While I prefer to size the entire length of the neck, I've tested that against my dies that leave a portion unsized and haven’t seen any on target difference. This is with my 30BR's and a fair amount of jam/seat.

If you want to test that, Jim Carstenson (JLC Precision) can modify your Redding Body Die to a bushing style die to size the entire neck length. He's done several for me.

Hope this helps. -Al

 

[rrwildlife]

Thank you!

 

[Bob in WI]

I had a phone conversation with Harrells about this with their die. He mentioned they started out with 6BR dies and simply opened the neck to 30 caliber..thus leaving the unsized area because the bushing wasn't deep enough for a 30BR. I machined my die to depth in the bushing area and set the cap surfaces back the same amount. Works great.

 

[AlNyhus]

I had a phone conversation with Harrells about this with their die. He mentioned they started out with 6BR dies and simply opened the neck to 30 caliber..thus leaving the unsized area because the bushing wasn't deep enough for a 30BR. I machined my die to depth in the bushing area and set the cap surfaces back the same amount. Works great.

Have modified several Harrell's this way...works great.

 

[rrwildlife]

I had a phone conversation with Harrells about this with their die. He mentioned they started out with 6BR dies and simply opened the neck to 30 caliber..thus leaving the unsized area because the bushing wasn't deep enough for a 30BR. I machined my die to depth in the bushing area and set the cap surfaces back the same amount. Works great.

I'm learning a lot from this thread. I'm glad I asked. Appreciate you contributing to my "education"

Ryan

 

[rrwildlife]

I got a response back from L.E. Wilson this afternoon (see below). I commend Wilson on their diligence in answering customer questions in a timely manner, good customers service even if it was not the answer I was hoping to hear.

It looks like I'll have to go another route if I want the whole neck sized. I plan on following up with JLC to modify my Redding die as Al suggested.

Cheers,

Ryan


Hello Ryan,

Thank you for your inquiry -

Because of the corner of the bushing and the width of the neck bore internally of the die, it will not allow the entire neck to be sized.

However, I would make sure that you are using the black knurled nut, and that you have that installed correctly by threading the top piece in till the nut touches the bushing. Then back it off a hair. You do not want our bushing floating internally as they are not made to float.

Please let us know if you have further questions.

Thank you for your support!

LE WILSON SUPPORT

 

[Shooter13]

Flipping the bushing didn't seem to make any diffierence. I may be making a mountain out of a mole hill but leaving ~20% of the neck unsized seems strange. I attached a picture of two cases. The top is sized with the Redding body die and followed up with a Redding neck die. The bottom is the Wilson FLS bushing die. Does this seem like a normal difference between Redding and Wilson bushing dies?

Thanks,

Ryan

That's about right, seems like a lot but pretty much normal.