King of 2 mile
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Well done indeed. I would however like to the finalists all shoot in a row, everyone needs to take their first shot one after another then second shot so on and so fourth. That would make it a more fair competition. Anyone that's shot 1000 benchrest know the wind from one heat to another heat can make all the difference in the world and it's only 1000 yards compared to double or triple that yardage. Not taking anythig from the guys that finished at the top, just as a viewer I'd like to see it as fair as a competition as can be. Living in the windiest state in the union might make me more prone to feeling this way but I do enjoy watching this competition
Esoteric Junkie
Silver $$ Contributor
The KO2M scoring system is a total joke!!! A first or second round hit at 1547 yards is worth more points than ANY hit at 1890 yards. To further illustrate the total absurdity of the KO2M scoring system, a first round hit at 1547 yards is worth more than a first round hit at 2095 yards (1547×5=7735 points vs. 2095×3= 6285 points).
Also, five hits in a row at 1547 yards beats anyone who hits ALL targets, on the last shot, out to and including two miles. The scoring system for the KO2M needs very close scrutiny and a TOTAL revamping. Lastly, it is absurd to travel across country to shoot a match with the potential of only firing six shots (cold bore & five on the first plate) and a potential maximum of thirty shots if you were to hit all targets on the last shot. Anyone that has shot this match will say it is luck of the draw when you get to shoot and the shooting order can greatly alter the outcome depending on conditions. Unfortunately, everyone does NOT get to shoot at the same time and under the same conditions.
EJ
Also, five hits in a row at 1547 yards beats anyone who hits ALL targets, on the last shot, out to and including two miles. The scoring system for the KO2M needs very close scrutiny and a TOTAL revamping. Lastly, it is absurd to travel across country to shoot a match with the potential of only firing six shots (cold bore & five on the first plate) and a potential maximum of thirty shots if you were to hit all targets on the last shot. Anyone that has shot this match will say it is luck of the draw when you get to shoot and the shooting order can greatly alter the outcome depending on conditions. Unfortunately, everyone does NOT get to shoot at the same time and under the same conditions.
EJ
LA50SHOOTER
Sworn To Protect The Constitution.
And they keep changing the rules on gun weight !! - What about the competitors who've built rifles to meet a previous weight limit then to have it nullified because they want to keep dropping the weight limit. - Kof2M came about "through" the FCSA - And the FCSA weight limit on a "Hunter-Class" rifle has & is 50 Pounds. - Hence the weight limit for ALL of these events should be 50 pounds - Period.
My .02
My .02
Lots of ideas floating around. People should be sending them to the competition headquarters for consideration. I agree with the idea that a first round hit should be worth more than a second or third etc. Would also like to remind everyone that this competition is ONLY in it's fourth year. There is bound to be teething pains.
LA50SHOOTER
Sworn To Protect The Constitution.
It's more than "teething pains" when a guy has spent +10 grand building a rifle to meet one weight limit and they pull 5 pounds away and say they're going to pull another 5 pounds away in 2020. - That's what I call "rigging" the rules to accommodate specific interests. - I stand firm on what I stated previously about 50 pounds. - The Ko2M event is held in Raton, NM, just to the left of the 1000 yard line and is held in close concurrence of the FCSA World championship match. - The Ko2M "Logo" is shown on the FCSA home page which to me shows "affiliation" - So WHY are they eliminating Hunter Class rifles that could potentially compete in the event ?
Esoteric Junkie
Silver $$ Contributor
LA50Shooter,
Regarding the weight limit I agree with you. Yes, the weight limit was changed from 50 pounds to 45 pounds SIX months after last years KO2M. Lots of people, including myself, had ordered barrels, action, etc. to come in just under 50 pounds. The rifle I built is still too heavy to make the current 45 pound limit and we have done everything to take weight out.
Mongo,
A first round hit should be worth more, however the current scoring system favors anyone doing well on the first target. I have suggested a revamped scoring system, however all efforts have fallen on deaf ears! There is no reward for hitting further targets even if it is on the last shot. A hit on the next further target, even on the last shot, should be worth more than all previous shots combined on the next closer target. Regardless if this is the forth year of competition the people that run the match are not open to change regarding the scoring system.
EJ
Regarding the weight limit I agree with you. Yes, the weight limit was changed from 50 pounds to 45 pounds SIX months after last years KO2M. Lots of people, including myself, had ordered barrels, action, etc. to come in just under 50 pounds. The rifle I built is still too heavy to make the current 45 pound limit and we have done everything to take weight out.
Mongo,
A first round hit should be worth more, however the current scoring system favors anyone doing well on the first target. I have suggested a revamped scoring system, however all efforts have fallen on deaf ears! There is no reward for hitting further targets even if it is on the last shot. A hit on the next further target, even on the last shot, should be worth more than all previous shots combined on the next closer target. Regardless if this is the forth year of competition the people that run the match are not open to change regarding the scoring system.
EJ
the way I understand it is there was a 50 lb limit. ko2m is going to be a 40 lb limit but they ran 45 lb this year as a "transition year". The reason being they want the rifles to be "field portable". To me a 40 lb gun is heavy, a 50 lb is just a little heavier, neither are really "field portable" and even less portable with a non folding bipod like the Phoenix hanging on them. So being held in conjunction with FCSA I wish it was a 50lb limit. Or break it into 2 classes. Light gun is under 25 lbs and heavy gun is under 50 lbs. None the less, I was there to compete and it was a good time, I hope to go back again.
Someoldguy
It's my understanding it was a borrowed rifle and he missed only 1 target.
If that's incorrect, I'm sure someone will set me straight forthwith.
If it is correct, that's quite a remarkable achievement, I'd think.
If that's incorrect, I'm sure someone will set me straight forthwith.
If it is correct, that's quite a remarkable achievement, I'd think.
I agree with the criticism of the "field portable" crock. I like the idea of breaking it into 2 classes. For scoring, what about going into reverse? At any distance, for example, first shot would be full value, second shot would be 90% value, third shot would be 80% value etc.?
dcali
Bullet Maker
I would love to see them adopt a format that allows all shooters to shoot all the stages. Miss and you're out isn't very fun if you miss. I would imagine that for a lot of people, these matches are a large percentage of the number of rounds they get to put down range under match conditions with the proper targets, etc. Why cut people off? I don't get that part at all.
Very hard to arrange simultaneous firing , due to the long flight time and
shot spotting issues . Many of us have shot competitions where at the
start of the detail , wind picks up significnatly and we drop points .
I’ve had it the other way too , drop down to shoot when the flags drop
and it’s happy times .
Several very talented shooters got screwed by the wind at KO2M this year,
despite conditions being generally better than last year . Anyone who has
run a match knows the difficulties involved . Generally the KO2M crew do
a great job , with what is an emerging discipline .
Maybe there is a way to run shooters through a little faster , by allowing
another shooter to start on the first target , once the first shooter has
moved to the second target . This would require more RO’s and co -
ordination , and introduce potential for confusion and problems .
I live in Australia , and intent to shoot this comp in the future . The
logistics of exporting a firearm and ammunition to US are prohibitive ,
and the thought of expending all that effort to potentially fire only a few
shots is chilling , but still enticing !
shot spotting issues . Many of us have shot competitions where at the
start of the detail , wind picks up significnatly and we drop points .
I’ve had it the other way too , drop down to shoot when the flags drop
and it’s happy times .
Several very talented shooters got screwed by the wind at KO2M this year,
despite conditions being generally better than last year . Anyone who has
run a match knows the difficulties involved . Generally the KO2M crew do
a great job , with what is an emerging discipline .
Maybe there is a way to run shooters through a little faster , by allowing
another shooter to start on the first target , once the first shooter has
moved to the second target . This would require more RO’s and co -
ordination , and introduce potential for confusion and problems .
I live in Australia , and intent to shoot this comp in the future . The
logistics of exporting a firearm and ammunition to US are prohibitive ,
and the thought of expending all that effort to potentially fire only a few
shots is chilling , but still enticing !
Raythemanroe
Bullet Whisperer
Give them a target and shoot five shot groups in the same relay
Ray
Ray
Any competition where the score can be in the 4 or 5 digits is ridiculous! Divide the scoring system by 1000 or hundred to keep the scores understandably reasonable.
I'm not a fan of the KO2M competition or format, for many of the reasons above. I also think the sign up process is a bit of a joke, there's definitely some favoritism there from who they pick to compete IMO.
Personally, I would rather support an event such as The Worlds Longest Shot, held in Texas. Hope to go next year.
That said, good shooting Robert Brantley! Really cool to see him come out of nowhere (as far as ELR goes) and just kill it at KO2M.
Personally, I would rather support an event such as The Worlds Longest Shot, held in Texas. Hope to go next year.
That said, good shooting Robert Brantley! Really cool to see him come out of nowhere (as far as ELR goes) and just kill it at KO2M.
I see it as a couple people promoting and selling products. Matt
Exactly. The whole concept just seems like nothing more that a stunt to sell ballistic products. Elitists looking down on the rest of us.
Paul
Exactly. The whole concept just seems like nothing more that a stunt to sell ballistic products. Elitists looking down on the rest of us.
Paul
I disagree, one of the guys that shot last year was from my area and seemed like a really nice guy. There are always snobs, trap shooting especially haha. If I had the time I would love to try and shoot in this competition. It's really like any other competition, sometimes the rules get changed to suit specific people. The wheel that squeaks the loudest usually gets the most oil. I enjoy watching the competition and while not perfect its the best thing going right now in the elr world. I would rather have it going on and imperfect than for it to fail.
I also think it brings in a large crowd when on tv and the more people that become interested and compete in our sport the stronger we are.
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