Thanks for all the reply's guys, I think I need to tumble mine longer, had been doing it for about 45 minutes, other than that I probably dont need to change anything. I had forgot to mention that i rolled them around in an old sock to get excess off of the bullets. Clancy I used to also tumble Moly, an Danzac, but am transitioning to the HBN. One rifle I built, a heavy barrel Kreiger on a Savage 110, in a boyds stock in 6.5x55 Swede, started off with the HBN on a virgin barrel, and it shot literally one hole groups with 123HPs and some 140BTHP match bullets. I mean you could shoot a 3 shot group, take a bullet out of the box, and the bullet would hang in the hole. I later cleaned the barrel, and shot some naked and Moly coated match bullets, barrel was still a screamer but shot the same bullets in HBN with less lateral dispersion. Had the same results with a couple of other guns/calibers. Also the first shot lands in the same place as the last one, or so it seems.