I’m posting a lot lately. And this is a lot more than the answer to this question. The flu has me on house arrest right now so y’all please bear with me. It’s helping to keep me somewhat sane and my wife generally doesn’t like my company and isn’t interested in keeping me occupied.
Do you really need magnum level energy and velocity?
I decided a long time ago that I did not. But there was certainly a point in my life when thought I did. I had a friend that went out west as a guide and came back Magnum Crazy for lack of a better term and I went down that road with him for a while.
I would love to be able to run a 300 win mag or Nathan Foster’s 7mm Practical and if money and health had nothing to do with it I probably would have both. Those, a 50 BMG, and 1 of the Cheytac’s or both. Then a 6.5 x 55 and a .257 bob. Do I need them? No but they would definitely check a box or 2 on my Man Card application and I just plain think they would be really fun to shoot them and stretch them out a bit. I looked hard at a .257 Robert’s in a Remington 721 the other day. Nice little rifle.
Elk and really large game unfortunately are not on my list. But I do need ample energy on target and wind cheating ability at longer distances for deer and hogs and it does take sufficient velocity to do that. What I don’t need is the recoil, muzzle blast, and concussion. I found those things to be somewhat detrimental to my accuracy but more so to my health and well being.
Some would say my answer is a muzzle brake. Been there. Even in small calibers that have very little recoil, I find the blast and concussion uncomfortable. I’ve had a large number of concussions in my life. Double digits. Football, wrecks, bad luck, and pure stupidity will do that. If you’re gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough. I’m no stranger to DUMB! Some circumstances make tough a necessity but a good dose of smarts will take some of that pressure off. As in recognition and adherence to your limitations which is a very hard thing for any man. I have 11 fused vertebrae with nerve damage and that does‘t play well with recoil or heavy shock and vibration. Particularly the plates, screws, and disc. in my neck. Anyway, rifles with a brake give me concussion symptoms. Blurred vision, dizziness, headaches, etc. I shot 2 rounds with a braked 7mag about a month ago and paid for well over a week.
So the next suggestion i generally get is to use a suppressor. It’s a viable option. They would likely solve my issues with recoil and concussion. But my hunting and depredation at times puts me in confined spaces whether that be a tight blind, a tractor or combine cab, a UTV or a truck. A rig can get too long to manage real quick. Truth here, I do like suppressors. What I don’t like about them other than length is the added cost of the suppressor itself but worse is paying our wonderful government for a tax/permision slip every year. I’m just not ready to go down that rabbit hole right now.
I personally prefer older established calibers with only one, possibly 2 exceptions. 6.5 Grendel. What I don’t like about it is brass availability at times and that can be said of many of the newer calibers. 6.5 G makes the AR15 platform pretty useful and mine with night vision gets used a lot. It punches way above its weight. There’s very little recoil or muzzle blast with mine in a 20” barrel with no brake And I can transition quickly from target to target. The other new caliber that I would consider but only because it comes in an AR platform is, I really even hate to say it, 6.5 Creedmore. With 123-130 class bullets it would do pretty well with a 20” barrel for nighttime use and mid range hunting. However, I already have that role filled. I run white light on my DPMS G2. in 7.62 x 51 running a 168 Amax at 2640 fps or so from a 20” straight crowned barrel. Slick, no brake. None of my guns. Wear brakes. It does not like 150 class bullets at all. The G2 is sort of a hybrid platform and lighter than most 7.62 AR platforms. I modified it into essentially a SASS configuration. It’s a cream puff to shoot, even one handed which is often the case, and unbelievably accurate to 600 yards.
About the max recoil level I can tolerate is 30/06 with 150s in an 8 pound rifle and that’s right at the cutoff line. It’s an amazingly versatile round. It can be downloaded to youth levels. I have a very useful load in it that runs about 2600 fps with with 150 grain bullets that is very accurate and does not kick. Kills deer though. Or you can run it hot with heavy bullets and very seldom will you be under gunned. 270 recoil is about right and is probably my all time favorite. But there are not many bullet choices for longer range. Plus I would need faster twist. I have 2 or 3 of them and they are popular for a reason. They aren’t the media and gunwriter darling anymore. When you do a real comparison though and look past marketing hype, it’s obvious it’s pretty capable.
A farmer/friend approached me a few years ago and mentioned having some very large fields with limited stand locations or bad prevailing wind directions where deer and hogs we’re giving him a fit. He asked if I would help. The first thing I did was get him out practicing a little bit and let him figure out that he and his rifle were a lot more capable than he thought. Then we decided to do something different. We like to place a stand or shooting table heavy and large enough near the entrance to allow us to easily get in unseen and not fret so much if the wind direction isn‘t ideal. Then we can use a nice adjustable front rest or bipod and rear bag.. We use a rangefinder and gps on our phone to make a range card and note any landmarks or reference points and we can also use stakes and flags for range and wind direction. I have felt just a bit undergunned with my 26” barreled 700 in 308, after 800. That’s asking a lot of the caliber. The wind pushes it around pretty good but I’ve been able to be effective with it. But I decided I wanted something more forgiving. I have been considering different calibers and rigs. Creedmore energy at longer range doesnt excite me at all. For the reasons given above I didn’t want to go to heavy in caliber And I didn’t want a suppressor even though for this particular scenario it would work. I considered 7 saum, 6.8 western, and 6.5 Prc.. But I’ve been very afraid that brass and ammunition would be an issue. 7mm REM Mag is a bit to much for me with heavier high BC bullets. So I decided I’d build a 6.5-06 and work with 140, 143, and preferably 147s. This will be an ongoing story. Workups and results right now look very promising. It’s a heavy gun but I prefer heavy for its purpose and built it that way. Recoil is a slow push. I haven‘t shot it a lot due to taking break in slow and cleaning. I’ve got a couple of 100 yard 3 shot groups in the mid to low .3s and one at .26, several in the .5 range. Ive found a low es and sd node right at my goal velocity I’m up to 15 or so 3 and 4 shot groups, it has about 50 shots total on it. Only 2 groups have been over 1 inch, barely, and that was my fault. Ive got work to do but it’s encouraging. Magazine options for long action aren’t numerous but the MDT mag holds 7+1 and the Magpul 5+1. That’s one advantage over the short fat loads. The Magpul mag is easier to load. I may get to take it to 1200 yards this weekend But will for sure sometime soon.
To the Op. my offer on the free 7mm brass still stands if it shows. And it should. That’s the least I could do after highjacking your thread. But if you can’t use it let me know. I’m sure someone on here can.