JDS Bullets

[jden]

I noticed that BulletCentral.com is advertising my JDS bullets. At no time have i sold bullets to BulletCentral and never will nor do they have my permission to advertise my bullets. Picture of the bullet boxes show the last lot of 89 J4 jackets made back in late 2011. My bullets can only be bought from me and they are made exclusively w/Sta-Moly jackets. Beware of any of my bullets sold by a second party or call me for info.
Bullet Central is NOT a distributor for JDS bullets. Be careful what you purchase here. Chris is going around buying up old lots of my bullets and selling them here as if hes a distributor. I can not verify these are really my bullets. These bullets may be repacked with other brands..


Thank you
JD Denoff

 

[Tim Singleton]

JD
Does Pat with PMA have some of your Bullets?

 

[Eric Leonard]

I shot some 68 BT 6-8s today and 2 weeks ago in UBR and they sure shoot better than I can read wind,,shot several groups in the .150 range with my best so far a .104 with 29 VVN 133 from 24 inch 12 twist 237 4 groove Krieger,,

shooting groups and hiting a .100 dot at 200 yards is way different animal,,

is there any way to get some 6mm 77-80 gr BT`s for the 200 yard stage,,

shot a 495 at first match with PPC and 68 JDS and a 491 at second match,,shot a 6BR first match

 

[riverwolf1]

So JD, I guess if I buy some from any one other than you, like another shooter who has decided that someone elses bullets shoot better in his rifle I should pass them up? Looks like I will never buy your bullets if you have to come on here and piss and moan that someone you don't like, is buying bullets from someone that already paid you for them,get over it! Orr don't sell anymore bullets to anyone!

 

[LRPV]

I don't know JD and don't know anything about his bullets. As someone who takes pride in what I do, I can see why he might be a little put off by someone advertising that they are selling his product when in fact it's possible that they are not. Say I was getting into short range BR and I bought some of these bullets from Bullet Central and they were in fact not his bullets. Maybe they are some culls or someone else's attempt at a custom bullet and they measured horrible and shot worse. I sure as hell wouldn't buy any of that brand of bullet again and then I might get on every internet forum there is and bad mouth his bullets to anyone who listens. Or I might call him to complain and demand he replace them at which time he would rightly refuse and then I would again get on the internet and bad mouth him for not standing behind his product. There is also a pretty good chance that current production bullets made on sta moly jackets shoot better than the ones made on J4's so it would not be fair assessment of the bullets current performance. Just another way to look at it.

 

[CJ6]

^^^^^^A very good way to put it....

 

[riverwolf1]

LRPV,
You certainly have a reasonable explanation, however thats not the case here! Most all the shops that cater to short range BR shooters from time to time buy up all of someones gear from an estate, they resell that gear, I know Chris and he as well as others have a good business relationship with a lot of shooters! This is nothing more than one guy that has a grudge about the other guy and is attempting to discredit him by putting out garbage!

 

[dkhunt14]

LRPV,
You certainly have a reasonable explanation, however thats not the case here! Most all the shops that cater to short range BR shooters from time to time buy up all of someones gear from an estate, they resell that gear, I know Chris and he as well as others have a good business relationship with a lot of shooters! This is nothing more than one guy that has a grudge about the other guy and is attempting to discredit him by putting out garbage!

But you don't know what the guy from the estate really put in the boxes. It could be anything from culls to bullets that weren't from a good lot. Like LRPV said it could be bullets made from J4's and now he is using Sta Moly and they are better now. I could see how it could hurt his business if it is some bad transactions. Matt

 

[LHSmith]

But you don't know what the guy from the estate really put in the boxes. It could be anything from culls to bullets that weren't from a good lot. Like LRPV said it could be bullets made from J4's and now he is using Sta Moly and they are better now. I could see how it could hurt his business if it is some bad transactions. Matt

^^^^^ Ditto to what these guys are saying. Lord knows bullet makers are not into it to make money.....it's the pride that drives them.

 

[Eric Leonard]

the JDS 68 BTs I been shooting were bought from the classifieds here on accurate shooter and are accurate shooters,,

 

[Uthink Uknow]

That settles it
I won't buy any JDS Bullets.

 

[tenring]

I just ordered 500 fro BC. Found this from a 2013 Union County IBS Match:
The 100-yard stage was a J.D. Denoff show. The Virginia-based bullet-maker had his ‘A’ game going full tilt. He started by winning the Light Varmint 100-yard stage with a .2168 aggregate. Larry Costa had the same aggregate, but J.D. had the edge via tie-breaker. J.D.’s first three groups in the Heavy Varmint stage were three .140s and tiny .057. So, after four targets J.D. had a fantastic .1230 aggregate. If he could maintain that level a new IBS record was possible. J.D.’s shot at a record all depended on what he could do with his last target.
J.D. was shooting his own bullets (of course) crafted on Sierra jackets.

NOTE: He was using Sierra jackets 3 years ago.

JD -What is your contact info for future orders?

 

[sofarfrome]

So JD, I guess if I buy some from any one other than you, like another shooter who has decided that someone elses bullets shoot better in his rifle I should pass them up? Looks like I will never buy your bullets if you have to come on here and piss and moan that someone you don't like, is buying bullets from someone that already paid you for them,get over it! Orr don't sell anymore bullets to anyone!

I guess you miss the point. But that's OK.

 

[riverwolf1]

sofarfrome,
I am pretty sure you are the one that does not get it,! Did you go to bullet central? Did you look at the bullets advertised? There is nothing on Chris's website that says he is a rep or exclusive supplier! He is just selling some bullets he aquired from a source other than JDS! Next, Chris would not sub in rejects or seconds! I will say it one more time this is nothing more than a feud between a guy that makes bullets, and hates the guy that found some to sell from another source! The original poster is just trying to put someone he dislikes under a suspision of being deceitful in his business practices! This same OP posted a while back on BR Central his dis satisfaction that there was a conversation about his sta- molly jackets!

 

[griplife]

This post of "jden" is nonsense and bordering on comical. I have no idea why Denoff has a beef with me but it appears he does. I bought these bullets from him (5000 of them) some years back. I never shot a single bullet and have no need to as I make my own bullets for competition. Initially they were incorrectly advertised on our site as being made with Hines jackets, that has been corrected. I have a marketing team that posts products and they can and will make mistakes from time to time. I have plenty bullets, of other makers, that we will be selling from time to time (Bishops, Bibs, Gentner, Meyers, Conoway, etc). Somehow I don't expect any fuss from them. In addition we buy in lots of bullets from time to time from good shooters that have moved to making their own bullets or shooting another bullet for some reason. We will never knowingly buy junk as that would hurt our reputation. Denoff can't stop people from selling/reselling his bullets. We have no desire to be a re-seller/dealer for JDS bullets and never stated that we were. Denoff suggesting that we would possibly "repack with another brand" is simply and utterly ludicrous. We don't have the time for that and as stated earlier, that would hurt our brand which we work every day to improve.

One of the core tenets of Bullet Central is integrity and WE WILL TREAT EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER, EVERY SINGLE TRANSACTION WITH INTEGRITY, FOREVER. If you have not dealt with us yet, I am certain you will have a great experience when you do. We love the shooting world and want to work with shooters for a long time to come.

Hope that helps. Thanks for all your support!
Chris Harris

www.bulletcentral.com

 

[JS75]

I got to know Chris Harris at WBC 10 that were held in South Africa and i´ve been buying bullets from him since then. I find it ridiculous just to even think that he would repack with some other brand of bullets in those JDS boxes. I know for a fact that Bullet Central will not sell bullets that they don't think is good.

 

[LRPV]

Chris, I just want to clarify that I in no way meant to insinuate that you would repack a bullet box and try to pass them off as something they aren't. IF that is what anyone thought when they read my post, that is not what I was suggesting.

I had the impression that these bullets came from a deceased shooter. I imagined what would happen when I passed and my wife and friends searching through organized chaos of a loading room and trying to make sense of my chicken scratches and re-labeled boxes.

I don't have a dog in this fight and should've just kept my mouth shut. I apologize if I caused you any ill will whatsoever.

Jason Walker

 

[jden]

This post of "jden" is nonsense and bordering on comical. I have no idea why Denoff has a beef with me but it appears he does. I bought these bullets from him (5000 of them) some years back. I never shot a single bullet and have no need to as I make my own bullets for competition. Initially they were incorrectly advertised on our site as being made with Hines jackets, that has been corrected. I have a marketing team that posts products and they can and will make mistakes from time to time. I have plenty bullets, of other makers, that we will be selling from time to time (Bishops, Bibs, Gentner, Meyers, Conoway, etc). Somehow I don't expect any fuss from them. In addition we buy in lots of bullets from time to time from good shooters that have moved to making their own bullets or shooting another bullet for some reason. We will never knowingly buy junk as that would hurt our reputation. Denoff can't stop people from selling/reselling his bullets. We have no desire to be a re-seller/dealer for JDS bullets and never stated that we were. Denoff suggesting that we would possibly "repack with another brand" is simply and utterly ludicrous. We don't have the time for that and as stated earlier, that would hurt our brand which we work every day to improve.

One of the core tenets of Bullet Central is integrity and WE WILL TREAT EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER, EVERY SINGLE TRANSACTION WITH INTEGRITY, FOREVER. If you have not dealt with us yet, I am certain you will have a great experience when you do. We love the shooting world and want to work with shooters for a long time to come.

Hope that helps. Thanks for all your support!
Chris Harris

www.bulletcentral.com

Chris is full of more BS than grandmas Christmas turkey

First lie..Chris has never bought bullets from me. Show me a invoice. I know the man that sold him this batch of bullets.

Second Lie..Chris has been after me on several occasions to be a sole distributor for my bullets..I turned him down both times.

Third lie..I don't care who sells my bullets second hand. i just don't like Chris using my TM on his web site to sell my bullets second hand. I can not verify that they are mine.

I have asked Chris to remove my trade name from his web site and all will be forgiven (Very simple) or actions will be taken to force removal. I'm sure Chris is familiar with TM/R laws. This action is simply to protect my customers and my business reputation.

This is my last post on the subject.

JD Denoff

 

[griplife]

Chris, I just want to clarify that I in no way meant to insinuate that you would repack a bullet box and try to pass them off as something they aren't. IF that is what anyone thought when they read my post, that is not what I was suggesting.

I had the impression that these bullets came from a deceased shooter. I imagined what would happen when I passed and my wife and friends searching through organized chaos of a loading room and trying to make sense of my chicken scratches and re-labeled boxes.

I don't have a dog in this fight and should've just kept my mouth shut. I apologize if I caused you any ill will whatsoever.

Jason Walker

Jason, thanks for the note. Not for one second did I think you were attempting to cause ill, neither did you. This issue has been raised by someone to attempt to harm us but that, in my opinion, does not necessarily implicate others.

 

[griplife]

Chris is full of more BS than grandmas Christmas turkey

First lie..Chris has never bought bullets from me. Show me a invoice. I know the man that sold him this batch of bullets.

Second Lie..Chris has been after me on several occasions to be a sole distributor for my bullets..I turned him down both times.

Third lie..I don't care who sells my bullets second hand. i just don't like Chris using my TM on his web site to sell my bullets second hand. I can not verify that they are mine.

I have asked Chris to remove my trade name from his web site and all will be forgiven (Very simple) or actions will be taken to force removal. I'm sure Chris is familiar with TM/R laws. This action is simply to protect my customers and my business reputation.

This is my last post on the subject.

JD Denoff

First, I sincerely apologise for further labouring members of this respected forum with utter spurious junk. However, I feel it is necessary to set right publicly what Denoff has so misstated.

People who know me and my business know that we are straight and do our utter best to look after customers and suppliers. We plan to be around for a long time, grow significantly and have many happy customers. If this post has any benefit whatsoever it will somehow draw attention to our solid principles.

However we have one person here who appears to be going off on a tirade. Here is the truth the way I know it.

He has done nothing but make endless posts on website forums and Facebook pages to draw attention to this matter of us selling his bullets. Further, it is reported to me, that he spends hours calling plenty people and sends out text messages to tons of people flagrantly defaming and defiling me and my company. Several people have shared these with me and I have copies. Why he should be out of joint about this is simply stupifying.

The three "lies":

1. It seems he may have a poor memory as some years back I ordered 5,000 bullets from him via Steve Theye of Benchrite (a VERY solid citizen of our shooting community). These are the very bullets which I have never shot and have put up for sale. JD states "he knows the man". Not accurate as the person he thinks it is (shared with me by someone he called) has never sold me bullets.

2. "several occasions to be a sole distributor for my bullets":- this totally and utterly untrue. Only ONCE, as recent as the Hogroast 2016 in PA, did I suggest that we could sell his bullets - I did not ask or "go after him". When he told me he would do it but charge me $285/1000 I told him that would be a non-starter (obviously) and I never ever discussed exclusivity. Pretty senseless to have exclusivity on a product I could not make profit. So it may be that I turned Denoff down rather than his untruth stating that he turned me down that is getting him upset - who knows. Some people don;t handle rejection all that well.

3. The "third lie" does not even state what I lied about so no need to respond. However, people are welcome to go to our site anytime (www.bulletcentral.com) and see for yourself. We are not using his trademark. I doubt he has one registered in any event. It would be very tricky to advertise the bullets as "made by a bullet maker somewhere on earth" to avoid mentioning that the are JDS bullets.

All we are doing, is selling bullets that I do not want to shoot. We have full right to do this and are not resellers of Denoff bullets (or ever will be). Denoff has threatened all types of litigation and frankly has made a simple little issue into a mountain. If and when the bullets are sold we they will no longer be listed.

We will continue to buy bullets from shooters as long as we have good reason to believe that they are in good condition and preferably of a good reputation (both manufacturer and batch). This will come to us via deceased estates and fairly often from shooters who have moved to a "better bullet" or making their own. We know there is a high likelihood that someone out there may be hankering after such a bullet.

Good news to those who are in fact interested in getting hold of bullets rather than reading this junk is that going forward we will be opening a new section to our website that will cater specifically for these types of stocks. We will announce that sometime this summer.

Apologies again for hanging out this dirty laundry on a forum meant for shooting but if people are going to falsely accuse me of lying and use this forum to defame then I think an honest response is needed.

Good shooting.