He could of been clueless also Larry
ITAR Registration -- Plan on Paying your Gunsmith more...
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The NRA wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. They get involved only when they are certain they can win.
I spoke to my rep's office late last week. I'd call my senators, but I live in NY state and I hate to waste my time. I suspect that if by some miracle I actually got to speak with someone in Chuck Schumer's office, I'd get myself in big trouble. I don't have one of those 'filter' things.
My congressional rep is a lame duck Republican, Richard Hannah. Yes, the very one that publicly stated he would vote for that miserable b*tch on wheels this November. I did not speak to him, but I did speak with one of his senior aides. He was personally very sympathetic, himself having worked for a firearms business for several years. The official position from Hannah's office leaves something to be desired, though. He informed me that their short-term solution is to 'work very hard to reduce the registration fee for gunsmiths to something like $200', to which I responded that getting screwed is binary - you're either screwed or you're not and manufacturing degrees of such improprieties is a tool found in every tyrant's tool box. I made it clear that I'll be calling back at least a couple of times a week and that I would appreciate the opportunity to speak to Hannah directly. So far, no phone call or email but I will keep trying.
They must be too busy ruling their subjects.
"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
We may be getting there again.
My congressional rep is a lame duck Republican, Richard Hannah. Yes, the very one that publicly stated he would vote for that miserable b*tch on wheels this November. I did not speak to him, but I did speak with one of his senior aides. He was personally very sympathetic, himself having worked for a firearms business for several years. The official position from Hannah's office leaves something to be desired, though. He informed me that their short-term solution is to 'work very hard to reduce the registration fee for gunsmiths to something like $200', to which I responded that getting screwed is binary - you're either screwed or you're not and manufacturing degrees of such improprieties is a tool found in every tyrant's tool box. I made it clear that I'll be calling back at least a couple of times a week and that I would appreciate the opportunity to speak to Hannah directly. So far, no phone call or email but I will keep trying.
They must be too busy ruling their subjects.
"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
We may be getting there again.
Kurz
Silver $$ Contributor
Please do not take offense but if he only grosses $2250.00 a year or less, he obviously isn't taking in that much work. No wonder he closed. That's sad.
There are some good 'smiths in Florida, maybe not as local as your original guy but available none the less.
Best of luck!
jkl
Silver $$ Contributor
So in reading everything I am going to ask the question How does this effect me? I don't need a license now and why would I.
I don't do work for other people I strictly do barrels for myself. I guess keep the door closed when I am doing a barrel.
I guess this will lead the the next component shortage barrels.
John
I don't do work for other people I strictly do barrels for myself. I guess keep the door closed when I am doing a barrel.
I guess this will lead the the next component shortage barrels.
John
Name me one I live in Fl Larry
Not everyone looks at it this way, nor is everyone similarly situated.
If we can't see beyond our individual self interests, we're doomed. 'They're not screwing me, so I don't care' just postpones the inevitable. Everyone's turn will come. Relativism guarantees it and history proves it.
TheOtherZilla
Pull my finger
So what happened to Congress and the Senate are in charge of enacting laws? I would think the POTUS is waaay out of line here.
John is a true gentleman; I think you are taking his comments out of context. He was simply asking how the ruling impacts someone with a lathe who is not a for-profit gunsmith. The answer is it does not impact you at all....except for the friends who lost their smith and will now ask you to do work for them...for free of course because they wouldn't want you to run afoul of those "for-profit" rules.
I sent an email to DDTCResponseTeam@state.gov with a series of questions. Basically my gunsmith is afraid to give my gun back because of violating the law and who will reimburse me for my rifle?
The response was follow the guidance letter and your gunsmith must register after getting his 07 FFL. Ain't going to happen in CA. Obama has effectively confiscated my rifle!
I was told if I wished to respond to the guidance letter I could at the same Email putting "firearms guidance comments" in for subject matter. Makes it easier to toss them I suppose.
This came from Adrienne R McElhaney at DDTC
If my auto mechanic machines my rotors is he now a manufacturer?
The response was follow the guidance letter and your gunsmith must register after getting his 07 FFL. Ain't going to happen in CA. Obama has effectively confiscated my rifle!
I was told if I wished to respond to the guidance letter I could at the same Email putting "firearms guidance comments" in for subject matter. Makes it easier to toss them I suppose.
This came from Adrienne R McElhaney at DDTC
If my auto mechanic machines my rotors is he now a manufacturer?
shortgrass
Silver $$ Contributor
Kurz
Silver $$ Contributor
I sense a little animosity within your question, however, here is one:
http://www.fullmetalgunsmith.com/
Then I found a 5-page list but since you don't specify a particular specialty, I didn't bother. I'm sure that there are members here that will help if you really need a recommendation for something in particular. There are several well populated lists available.
Regards.
I have a gun smith school certificate and can do my own work .
I will say we have lost not only a good gun smith but also a ambassador to the shooting sport .
Many of times he did work for others and didn't shoot him self .
Several times I have seen him take gun work on Friday night an the shooter could pick it up Saturday after shooting .
No Florida didn't loose only a gun smith . We lost far more . Larry
DDTC Response Team
10:18 AM (9 hours ago)
to me
If you are engaged in the business of conducting activities clearly described in the guidance as ones that DDTC has previously determined to constitute manufacturing, then it is likely that you are required to register with DDTC.
If you are uncertain whether your activity is clearly addressed in the guidance, consider requesting an advisory opinion for further clarification. If you submit an advisory opinion request, please describe your relevant activities in as much detail as possible, with particular focus on whether cutting, drilling, or machining is involved and if the activities improve the accuracy, caliber, or operation of an ITAR-controlled firearm beyond its original capabilities.
If you wish to comment generally on the guidance, please do so separately, via email to the DDTC Response Team, with the subject line “Firearms Guidance Comments”.
Thank you,
Adrienne R. McElhaney
DDTC Response Team
Note: Information in this message generally discusses controls and information contained in the Arms Export Control Act and the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), both of which are authoritative on this matter. The Response Team fields basic process and status questions, and assists exporters in identifying how to get answers to more complex questions handled by the Directorate of Defense Trade Control’s licensing and compliance offices. The Response Team’s services are not a substitute or replacement for the advisory opinion, general correspondence, and commodity jurisdiction processes delineated in the ITAR, which should be used to obtain authoritative guidance on export control issues, and do not in any way relieve exporters from their responsibilities to comply fully with the law and regulations.
10:18 AM (9 hours ago)
to me
If you are engaged in the business of conducting activities clearly described in the guidance as ones that DDTC has previously determined to constitute manufacturing, then it is likely that you are required to register with DDTC.
If you are uncertain whether your activity is clearly addressed in the guidance, consider requesting an advisory opinion for further clarification. If you submit an advisory opinion request, please describe your relevant activities in as much detail as possible, with particular focus on whether cutting, drilling, or machining is involved and if the activities improve the accuracy, caliber, or operation of an ITAR-controlled firearm beyond its original capabilities.
If you wish to comment generally on the guidance, please do so separately, via email to the DDTC Response Team, with the subject line “Firearms Guidance Comments”.
Thank you,
Adrienne R. McElhaney
DDTC Response Team
Note: Information in this message generally discusses controls and information contained in the Arms Export Control Act and the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), both of which are authoritative on this matter. The Response Team fields basic process and status questions, and assists exporters in identifying how to get answers to more complex questions handled by the Directorate of Defense Trade Control’s licensing and compliance offices. The Response Team’s services are not a substitute or replacement for the advisory opinion, general correspondence, and commodity jurisdiction processes delineated in the ITAR, which should be used to obtain authoritative guidance on export control issues, and do not in any way relieve exporters from their responsibilities to comply fully with the law and regulations.
We need to start a "DATA BASE" of names and addresses that are in the act of trying to enforce these regulations or any other restrictive acts concerning the 2nd amendment.......you know, just in case we need to speak with them in person or something.
I mean, after all, "what's good for the goose is good for the gander"......they want our names and addresses, we should be able to get theirs.
Begin with this name:
Adrienne R. McElhaney
Now we need an address.
I mean, after all, "what's good for the goose is good for the gander"......they want our names and addresses, we should be able to get theirs.
Begin with this name:
Adrienne R. McElhaney
Now we need an address.
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Obama Larry
Kurz
Silver $$ Contributor
This is kind of like being set up to take the fall for something that I was totally unaware of.
My first statement:
"Please do not take offense..."
And I meant that, I did not want anyone to be offended simply because I was responding to what was written, not to all the information which was hidden behind the scenes through personal contact and private knowledge but never mentioned. I had NO WAY of knowing any of this prior to making my statement.
I'm sorry that you're losing a wonderful gunsmith (removed to alleviate contentiousness...).
Regards.
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Haven't lost a friend. But for now we have lost a gun smith . Talking with friend many more will also. Not just in Florida . Larry
He who feeds the alligator is merely the last eaten.
"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."
Martin Niemöller
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