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issues sighting in scope, no more clicks -

hello fellas, been reading for while in the forums but never joined until now. i usually figure out my answer or find it in another forum. but this problem although i think it is common, i cannot find a solid answer too. last weekend i finally got around to zeroing several of my rifles. but one gave me issues i have never had. It is a cz455 22lr, it is in a boyds stock and has a bsa sweet 22 6x18 scope on it. i built it with my 8 year old daughter so she could shoot with me. i used a laser bore sight at 25 yards and even with the scope turrent bottomed out i am still way high, not even on paper. So if it is bottomed out and i am way high and there is not more adj, what do i do? left to right adj is also very close to bottomed out when center it it gets there. i have never had this issue. usually it is a bore sight, on paper, use scope and move turrets to paper hole, and wallah...any info would be greatly appreciated. all parts are newcz455.jpg
 
Is it possible that you have your two piece basses backwards. Your front base literally needs to be taller to bring your POI down. jd
 
Or perhaps you could use this rifle for very long range work. It might be right in the ballpark at 400 yds. :p Sorry, couldn't help myself. jd
 
the "bases" are the factory dovetail that are made on the gun. the rings are medium rings, believe they are mid grade, nothing high end, maybe $35 or so...
 
Sometimes it's possible to simply reverse the rings. Your error sounds pretty extreme in this case though. jd
 
Been there, done that with the air gun rings. Won’t work. You need this:

https://www.egwguns.com/hd-cz-452-453-455-457-511-512-for-11mm-picatinny-rail-mount-20-moa

Jim

Unless it is turned backwards, putting a 20 MOA canted scope mount on a rifle setup for which the elevation already is insufficient to zero at close range will make the problem even worse (i.e. the greater the cant in the base, the more low end elevation adjustment you lose). The whole point of using a canted base is to regain some of the lower half of the elevation travel range to gain more [usable] upper half adjustment for longer range shooting. That CZ 20 MOA mount could probably be turned around backwards to address this specific issue, but 20 MOA might be more total adjustment than is necessary.

One problem with zeroing a scope that has a modest or limited elevation travel range at extremely close distances (i.e. 25 yd) is that the change in point of impact (POI) per turret click on the target face is halved at 50 yd, and halved again at 25 yd. Because we are dealing with angular subtension and reticle adjustment, changing the POI by some specified linear distance on the target face at 25 yd takes 4 times the amount elevation turret adjustment as changing the POI by the same linear distance on the target face at 100 yd. In other words, changing the POI by ~one inch on the target face at 25 yd requires a ~4 MOA turn of the elevation knob (for MOA turrets). Changing the POI by ~one inch at 100 yd requires only 1 MOA turret adjustment. So a scope with modest elevation travel will tend to bottom out much more quickly at distances well under 100 yd.

Switching to the appropriate set Burris Signature [adjustable] rings with a set of plastic inserts might be a fairly simple way to fix this issue. I believe you can get them with 0, 5, 10, and 20 MOA inserts. Some combination of those inserts should allow you to correct the issue you're having zeroing at close range. As mentioned by jds holler above, you need to end up with the scope objective lens pointing higher than it currently is in order to gain a little more low end elevation travel. That is the opposite of what long range shooters are generally trying to accomplish, in that they will use a canted base for the scope that causes it to point further downward in order to gain more upward elevation travel. The Burris Signature rings with inserts give you the option of raising the scope objective lens (i.e. in front), because you can use a taller insert in the front ring and a lower one (or zero MOA) insert in the back. With a canted scope mount or base, you can sometimes achieve the same goal by turning it around backwards, as they are usually designed to extend the range, not zero at closer distances. However, they aren't always designed to be turned around backwards. The Burris ring are an easy fix, and not very expensive.
 
The Burris inserts are actually.000", .005", .010" and .020" for 1" rings. As for as I know the 30mm rings are only available in .000" and .010" offset but they come with the rings, I have only seen the 1" offset inserts available seperately. How many minutes they change depends on how far apart they are spaced. They do work well though. I use them on most of my ARs to extend the range of them.
 
Unless it is turned backwards, putting a 20 MOA canted scope mount on a rifle setup for which the elevation already is insufficient to zero at close range will make the problem even worse (i.e. the greater the cant in the base, the more low end elevation adjustment you lose). The whole point of using a canted base is to regain some of the lower half of the elevation travel range to gain more [usable] upper half adjustment for longer range shooting. That CZ 20 MOA mount could probably be turned around backwards to address this specific issue, but 20 MOA might be more total adjustment than is necessary.

One problem with zeroing a scope that has a modest or limited elevation travel range at extremely close distances (i.e. 25 yd) is that the change in point of impact (POI) per turret click on the target face is halved at 50 yd, and halved again at 25 yd. Because we are dealing with angular subtension and reticle adjustment, changing the POI by some specified linear distance on the target face at 25 yd takes 4 times the amount elevation turret adjustment as changing the POI by the same linear distance on the target face at 100 yd. In other words, changing the POI by ~one inch on the target face at 25 yd requires a ~4 MOA turn of the elevation knob (for MOA turrets). Changing the POI by ~one inch at 100 yd requires only 1 MOA turret adjustment. So a scope with modest elevation travel will tend to bottom out much more quickly at distances well under 100 yd.

Switching to the appropriate set Burris Signature [adjustable] rings with a set of plastic inserts might be a fairly simple way to fix this issue. I believe you can get them with 0, 5, 10, and 20 MOA inserts. Some combination of those inserts should allow you to correct the issue you're having zeroing at close range. As mentioned by jds holler above, you need to end up with the scope objective lens pointing higher than it currently is in order to gain a little more low end elevation travel. That is the opposite of what long range shooters are generally trying to accomplish, in that they will use a canted base for the scope that causes it to point further downward in order to gain more upward elevation travel. The Burris Signature rings with inserts give you the option of raising the scope objective lens (i.e. in front), because you can use a taller insert in the front ring and a lower one (or zero MOA) insert in the back. With a canted scope mount or base, you can sometimes achieve the same goal by turning it around backwards, as they are usually designed to extend the range, not zero at closer distances. However, they aren't always designed to be turned around backwards. The Burris ring are an easy fix, and not very expensive.

Okay, use the Burris rings, fine, but you still need a base to put them on. I could be wrong, but I don't think Burris makes rings to fit the 11mm dovetail?? And, you can get the EGW base in 0 moa if you prefer. Just trying to help.

Jim
 
measure the amount you need inches at target then shim with pcs of tape measure...go to forum search and there is a guide to thickness needed for you moa equivelant easy peasy and you will be plinking...loosen the rail and slide the tape under the end that needs raised or lowered then tighten down and your off and running
 
the tape measure pcs are rounded so they will conform good to your barrel..when you torque the base screws they will hold the shims until you get some burris rings or you can use the shims they will stay put with torque from the base
 
I learned several years ago that when it came to my rifle scopes for 22 lr that I needed to focus on internal adjustment elevation the scope offered because of this. I realized than that a 40 moa scope might not have the necessary adjustment for 25 meters as each click is now 1/16th and with only 20moa available up or down you bottom out or top out quickly. As others mention you need to shim your front ring for 25 yards or consider zeroing at 50 meters. I love shooting all my 22lr's at 200 yards and depending on my rifles and ammo I normally need at minimum give or take an moa from 50 meters to 100 about 12 moa adjustment and from 100 to 200 at least 38 to 42 moa adjustment. I just bought a Bushnell forge at 50% off that has enough adjustment to get you to zero at 25 and all the way beyond 200 yards. There is also a vortex tactical for about the same price that can get you there. Respectively they have 84moa and 85 moa of internal adjustment.
 

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