Is your aiming accuracy @1000 comparable to one kernel?

[dkhunt14]

How can one attribute that to one kernel. It may be pure chance.

If you have a Dasher capable of shootimgminthr 2

Regnar
You can put a gun in a vise. It's called a RAIL GUN. If you supply the barrel and action, you can borrow mine along with a March 50 LR. I have 2 rails,a Kenslar and a Powell , Google YOUNG RAIL GUNS
The barrel diameter on the Kenslar must be a 1.450 and the Powell will accept anything above .750

I wonder jow a rail gun would work with a 30 to 36 inch barrel and the recoil of a 300 WSM.

 

[ClassCat]

If you have a Dasher capable of shootimgminthr 2

I wonder jow a rail gun would work with a 30 to 36 inch barrel and the recoil of a 300 WSM.

Should not be a problem. The recoil should not effect a 25 pound plus upper any more than a PPC

 

[memilanuk]

How can one attribute that to one kernel. It may be pure chance.

If you have a Dasher capable of shootimgminthr 2

The laws of physics, and statistical variation, still apply even to Dashers.

Pretty much any physical process has some inherent variability. While I fully agree with trying to minimize / control what you can, some of what is being thrown out as 'what if's very much falls into that category. Errors so small that if you could somehow rewind time and have the exact same shooters shoot the exact same match under the exact same conditions (and while we're at it, might as well wish for a spherical cow... ) the outcome could have easily went a few thousandths the other way, and a different shooter would win, purely by random chance.

Heresy, I know...

 

[dmoran]

Hypothetically lets say one finds a .5-tenths accuracy node at 40.0 to 40.5-grains. In practicality they would load in the middle at 40.25-grains and roll with it.

To take it to another level yet, they then would test the extent of the found node to pin-point the actual center. Again hypothetically, lets say they did it in .1-tenth increments and 40.3 proved most optimal.

Yet, to take it to another level yet, they would break that optimal center down to .05-tenths or smaller and go at it again, which is basically what 1-kernel can be.

Myself with my benchrest rifles in optimal testing conditions, strongly believe I have achieved a conceivable difference in accuracy to .05-tenths of a grain, and have also seen other's results that yield a difference as well. While the difference is very small in terms of measurable group size, dispersion, or MOA capability, none the less there is still an advantage.

My 2-Cents
Donovan

 

[rardoin]

...Taken to the next level, one would then take a scalpel and cut..... nevermind, momma is callin' me for breakfast!

 

[eric n]

...Taken to the next level, one would then take a scalpel and cut..... nevermind, momma is callin' me for breakfast!

2000grit sandpaper works better then a scalpel. A quick swipe resolves down to .01 without breaking the kernel.

 

[TerryH]

Quite an entertaining and informative debate. I still say if one has the ability to weigh that precisely why would you not? Seems very little else that goes on with these rifles, rests, bags, whatever else just fill in the blank, do we ever say. "That's pretty close. I'll just run with it even though I could easily get it exactly right."

 

[Jennb]

With all this educated talk about one kernel variance what happens when you figure in the temperature variance of the powder?

I will eliminate every variable I can control and then deal with everything else as it happens!

 

[Marksman63]

Thanks, Captain Obvious. Unfortunately, reloaders must make the assumption that charge energy is directly proportional to charge weight. If you don't, there is no use whatsoever in attempting to throw charges based on weight. If you have a better method than an analytical balance for throwing precise charges, I'd love to hear it...it might actually add something useful to the discussion.

Agree! The only variable we can control in the equation for the conversion of propellant in gas energy per unit of time is its mass.
Other factors, such as its burning rate, its geometry, its solid density, etc. are uncontrollable

 

[Nature Boy]

@milanuk I see your Spherical Cow and raise you a Shrodingers Cat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrödinger's_cat

According to quantum mechanics (Theory of Superposition) +/- one kernel of powder and its effect on the system is that 1) the bullet hits the target where intended 2) the bullet misses the target where intended 3) the bullet both hits and misses the intended target simultaneously.

A system stops being a superposition of states and becomes either one or the other when an observation takes place and fixes the state. In other words, until the target is observed and scored by the target puller +/- 1 Kernel is either good, bad and both. It's the act of observation that matters

 

[ClassCat]

There is only ONE way to settle this. Does anyone have a rail Gun and a 1000 yard tunnel ? I have access to two tunnels, one is a 100 yard and the other is a 100/200 yard,and a Rail gun

 

[Dessert]

In over thirty years shooting at Ben Avery, I’ve noticed that in very good conditions a lot of shooters shoot very good scores, in breezy conditions these same shooters shoot lower scores, and when it’s windy, they are all over the place like everyone else. Dessert

 

[ClassCat]

In over thirty years shooting at Ben Avery, I’ve noticed that in very good conditions a lot of shooters shoot very good scores, in breezy conditions these same shooters shoot lower scores, and when it’s windy, they are all over the place like everyone else. Dessert

I am a Ben Avery Benchrest shooter. Avery is one of the toughest ranges in the country, second only to Raton, with Albuquerque a close third

 

[retired]

did you notice he said "SCORES" ? i think he is talking prone 600/1000 NOT br at 100/200/300.

I am a Ben Avery Benchrest shooter. Avery is one of the toughest ranges in the country, second only to Raton, with Albuquerque a close third

 

[ClassCat]

did you notice he said "SCORES" ? i think he is talking prone 600/1000 NOT br at 100/200/300.

Did you notice he was referring to condition ?

 

[retired]

did you notice the thread was about 1000 and not 100/200/300 br ?
you guys would not know ACCURATE powder measurement if it hit you in the head.
look how long it has taken short br to go away from thrown charges that vary a bunch
to a chargemaster that can do plus or minus .1 ?

Did you notice he was referring to condition ?

 

[dkhunt14]

In over thirty years shooting at Ben Avery, I’ve noticed that in very good conditions a lot of shooters shoot very good scores, in breezy conditions these same shooters shoot lower scores, and when it’s windy, they are all over the place like everyone else. Dessert

I have also seen guys with tuned guns, that the harder it blows, the more they win by. This is in 1000 yard BR and not F-Class. I have seen this many times over the last 18 years. If you think Raton and Ben Avery is bad, you need to shoot 1000 yard at Hawks Ridge or Williaamsport. Matt

 

[Stan Taylor]

I have also seen guys with tuned guns, that the harder it blows, the more they win by. This is in 1000 yard BR and not F-Class. I have seen this many times over the last 18 years. If you think Raton and Ben Avery is bad, you need to shoot 1000 yard at Hawks Ridge or Williaamsport. Matt

You forgot Whitehorse lol.

 

[Stan Taylor]

did you notice the thread was about 1000 and not 100/200/300 br ?
you guys would not know ACCURATE powder measurement if it hit you in the head.
look how long it has taken short br to go away from thrown charges that vary a bunch
to a chargemaster that can do plus or minus .1 ?

That's what I use plus those tweezers I sent Bart a picture of lol that means I can get buy with that old chargemaster right.

 

[ClassCat]

did you notice the thread was about 1000 and not 100/200/300 br ?
you guys would not know ACCURATE powder measurement if it hit you in the head.
look how long it has taken short br to go away from thrown charges that vary a bunch
to a chargemaster that can do plus or minus .1 ?

Being that you are SO proficient in your discipline maybe you can teach us short range Guys how its done. The Cactus is a week away in Phoenix. Why don't you come up there and educate US ALL on the Finer points of Shooting. ,it's a points match, you can start to gather points for TEAM USA.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP !
B T W You Live in Phoenix