Is this gun bad for long range shooting?

[Seeking_Coyotes]

http://www.berettausa.com/products/tikka-t3-lite/?F_PropertyId=6&F_LookupId=141


7mm-08
Barrell 22 7/16

Always heard how accurate they are out of the box? Just for shooting paper and varmints as far as I become good enough to do with practice...lots of it with this gun.

Would I be nuts to mount this scope as well?

http://www.bushnell.com/all-products/rifle-scopes/elite-6500/elite-6500-4-5-30-x-50mm,-mil-dot#

I am thinking these are turret scopes for long range?

 

[Tommie]

How long is "long"?

 

[22BRGUY]

I and my son have owned several Tikkas and our experience is that they are about as good as it gets for factory production rifles. The 7-08 is a great cartridge but Tommie is right on when he asks how far is long range to you and what are your expectations.

 

[mao0720]

I would lean towards the T3 Sporter. Its got a longer heavier barrel that would be better suited to LR shooting. Really bad a$$ looking in my opinion too!

 

[Seeking_Coyotes]

It would kind of be a gun that I would use alot to become better at long range shooting. I am good out to 300 but don't have ranges beyond that where I live. Could probably set up some 500-700 yard targets on some farms. I'd probably not get a chance at a deer beyond 300 but I would like to be able to take shots at groundhogs out to as far as would be reasonable with this gun and a turret type scope.

What do you guys think? Do I need a heavy barrell long range precision savage type gun, sendero, custom, or could I get decent groups out to 500 with this gun and put my savings into bullets, brass, etc.?

Also, anybody know if the Bushnell is a turret scope and would work with a Tikka T3 in 7mm-08?

 

[mao0720]

I think the bushnell you linked too would work well. For longer range precision stuff I would really recommend the heavier barreled tikka T3 sporter. Its going to be more of what you are looking for in terms of use and accuracy. There is a reason you dont see sporter weight barrels on the firing line at Major mid and long range matches.

 

[Seeking_Coyotes]

Looked at that gun but its over twice the price. :'(

 

[BigDMT]

Long barrels are for speed, extra length does not make a barrel more accurate.

I have the Bushnell Tactical model 4.5-30x50mm scope. It's a great scope that can take a beatin' and keep on tickin'.

 

[mao0720]

I know long barrels dont make accuracy, but when you are looking at mid to long range shooting speed is definitely something to consider. A 185 berger going 2400 FPS isnt nearly as effective as a 185 berger going 2800 fps.

 

[Seeking_Coyotes]

Long barrels are for speed, extra length does not make a barrel more accurate.

I have the Bushnell Tactical model 4.5-30x50mm scope. It's a great scope that can take a beatin' and keep on tickin'.

Which recticle do you recommend for the Bushnell scope for what I am looking to do with it. Can you give me a link to the scope you recommend?

 

[BigDMT]

I know long barrels dont make accuracy, but when you are looking at mid to long range shooting speed is definitely something to consider. A 185 berger going 2400 FPS isnt nearly as effective as a 185 berger going 2800 fps.

That speed difference is unrealistic when we are talking about only slightly longer barrels.. He'd have to have to increase from a 22" barrel to a 34+" barrel to even think of gaining 400 fps.

 

[BigDMT]

Long barrels are for speed, extra length does not make a barrel more accurate.

I have the Bushnell Tactical model 4.5-30x50mm scope. It's a great scope that can take a beatin' and keep on tickin'.

Which recticle do you recommend for the Bushnell scope for what I am looking to do with it. Can you give me a link to the scope you recommend?

I believe the tactical model only offers a mildot reticle which is what I have. Big difference between the tactical and standard 6500 is that the tactical offers 70 MOA of elevation adjustment. And of course the tall exposed turrets. I checked my scope and actual travel on mine is 74 MOA. That's an insane amount of travel for a 6.5x magnification range and a 30mm tube

Perfect tracking ability with reliable returns to zero every time too.

I don't know how to post a link from my phone, but the model number of my scope is ET4530. Found the best deals on ebay.

You can see a picture of the scope mounted on my rifle if you go to the Varmint and Hunting section of this forum and find the thread titled "My 338 is Finally Done"

 

[mao0720]

OK so I might have exaggerated a bit

I know long barrels dont make accuracy, but when you are looking at mid to long range shooting speed is definitely something to consider. A 185 berger going 2400 FPS isnt nearly as effective as a 185 berger going 2800 fps.

That speed difference is unrealistic when we are talking about only slightly longer barrels.. He'd have to have to increase from a 22" barrel to a 34+" barrel to even think of gaining 400 fps.

 

[dtucker]

They are excellent rifles. Wayne ( Bozo ) here has a 7mm-08 that he loves and has shot coyotes way out in the distance with it. Snatch 1 up and i am sure their will be no dissappointments. The rifle you had a short cut to said it has a 19 inch barrel and have not seen those that short. They must be something new coming out. For the price tag and quality i think they are the best bang for the buck out there.

 

[doc gordon]

for half the pric a Thompson center venture shoots as good .imho

 

[Seeking_Coyotes]

Long barrels are for speed, extra length does not make a barrel more accurate.

I have the Bushnell Tactical model 4.5-30x50mm scope. It's a great scope that can take a beatin' and keep on tickin'.

Which recticle do you recommend for the Bushnell scope for what I am looking to do with it. Can you give me a link to the scope you recommend?

I believe the tactical model only offers a mildot reticle which is what I have. Big difference between the tactical and standard 6500 is that the tactical offers 70 MOA of elevation adjustment. And of course the tall exposed turrets. I checked my scope and actual travel on mine is 74 MOA. That's an insane amount of travel for a 6.5x magnification range and a 30mm tube

Perfect tracking ability with reliable returns to zero every time too.

I don't know how to post a link from my phone, but the model number of my scope is ET4530. Found the best deals on ebay.

You can see a picture of the scope mounted on my rifle if you go to the Varmint and Hunting section of this forum and find the thread titled "My 338 is Finally Done"

What is the advantage of the mil dot recticle if you range the distance and then dial it in. Aren't you just using the center of the recticle? I don't understand what a person would gain from all the visual clutter of the mill dot? Sure there is a good reason...I just don't understand?

 

[doc gordon]

I think keep it to 1/8 or smaller good for hunting but not for 1-2-300 benchrest , covers to much of target.i like mine for 1000 plinking but when I start competing at 600-1000 i'm going no dot, but let me say there are many on this site that know a lot more than me !

 

[VaniB]

I am an informal target shooter. (ie; I seek 1/4" MOA, but don't engage in competiton shooting)
I own both varmint and AR precision rifles, and I only use Bushnell mil-dot 4200's on my rifles! The center crosshairs of the Bushnell mil-dot scopes are very fine and very useable for 100-200 target shooting. The dots are not overly large either. The mil-dots provide a reference point for windage on windy days, especially useful for long distance shooting. (...but it's 2nd focal plane and not to be used at full magnification) Bushnell is the only scope maker that I have seen that has a fine enough reticule for precision shooting. But no, mil-dot reticules are still not considered for "target". I use mine primarilly for long distance varmint shooting.....not long distance target shooting.

My Elite Side-Focus 4200's are an older 1" tubed model that has been discontinued 3 years ago. It is a better scope in clearity then my 30mm tubed "tactical" 4200 mil-dot scope, and is a better scope in clearity then the 6500. The only busnell scope I would buy now to replace it is the older 1" 4200 elite they currently sell that does NOT have side focus. It's a longer length scope too (too long!) with old fashioned front AO. It has minimal elevation adjustment. But it can also be bought new for $437!!......and it still has that great Bushnell mil-dot reticle, and great optic clearity like the old Bausch and Lomb scopes and like my old 1" SF 4200 scopes. If I wanted clearity and good light gathering in a shorter length scope with a side focus, then I'd step up to a Zeiss conquest. I will NOT buy a 6500, as after owning the better 1" tubed 4200 elites, why go down in optical quality?

 

[stinnett1981]

If your gonna buy a Bushnell Elite with a mil dot reticle then get the FFP. Not gaving the FFP with a mil dot reticle is like having a new HD 240hz 3D TV and only having basic cable. You can truly use the mil dot when its FFP.

 

[brian427cobra]

DO NOT buy a scope, any scope with a MilDot(MRAD) reticle with MOA knobs, I also recommend FFP, MRAD reticle with .1MRAD knobs is about as simple a system a long range hunter can use, whether 2 legs or 4.