Is RCBS just another import marketing company these days ?

[Alex Wheeler]

It's amazing how Japanese and European car manufacturers can make money assembling cars in the US, but the American car manufacturers can't. What's the difference between the two?..........oh that's right, the UAW has to have their hand in everything the American car manufacturers do.

My grandfather worked for GM on the assembly lines in Saginaw as a kid, made his living selling auto parts, and he'll tell you exactly what the UAW has done to the American manufacturers. And to put things in perspective, he was Ford's top seller of auto parts and Chrysler's second top seller west of the Mississippi, so he wasn't a small fish. If you ever bought an American made auto part from Auto Shack (now Autozone) or Checker up until the mid 70's it likely came through him. FWIW, he now buys primarily German cars due the quality issues related to American cars. Hell, he was glad to get out of Michigan where we still have family working for GM. It's sad

Really If they aren't making money, how do they remain in business? How are they able to pay the CEO 20+ million dollars per year? Get real :

Larry: $250.00 per day for picking tomatoes/oranges? Would it surprise you to realize the farm field workers work 42 hours per week, and average pay is $7.45 per hour. If they are lucky enough to secure permanent employment, after 6 years with the same employer, the pay goes up to $8.25 per hour. I don't know which country you live in that pays field farm workers that kind of money, but it certainly isn't the U.S.

JRS, there are some thing you cant find on google. Larry is in Florida, and yes the Mexicans can make very good money. Its been a few years, but last I heard my cousin was paying a minimum of 12.00 cash for a Mexican to run a weed whip. They take it back to Mexico and live like kings. Also, a lot of farms pay per bushel. I used to get .25 a bushel to pick apples as a kid, and if you move it adds up fast.

 

[hogpatrol]

Man, this is getting good.

 

[ShootDots]

Man, this is getting good.

I enjoy reading other people's opinions. Most are based on or from personal experience. The problem is, is that they base their entire opinion on personal experience, good or bad. Unions can be both good and bad. You can read that as either necessary or imposing. The term "UNION" merely means to band together for a singular cause. The "Colonies", if you pardon the term, "unionized" against the King of England for much the same reason "unions" start against companies or corporations. We call the Founding Fathers "Patriots">>>England called them "insurgents". It does not matter how "independent" you believe you are, bring a sufficient cause into the fray and anyone will band together! I am forgetting, what do we call people who band together for a common cause?? Hmmm???

 

[BigBlueandGoldie]

It's amazing how Japanese and European car manufacturers can make money assembling cars in the US, but the American car manufacturers can't. What's the difference between the two?..........oh that's right, the UAW has to have their hand in everything the American car manufacturers do.

My grandfather worked for GM on the assembly lines in Saginaw as a kid, made his living selling auto parts, and he'll tell you exactly what the UAW has done to the American manufacturers. And to put things in perspective, he was Ford's top seller of auto parts and Chrysler's second top seller west of the Mississippi, so he wasn't a small fish. If you ever bought an American made auto part from Auto Shack (now Autozone) or Checker up until the mid 70's it likely came through him. FWIW, he now buys primarily German cars due the quality issues related to American cars. Hell, he was glad to get out of Michigan where we still have family working for GM. It's sad

Really If they aren't making money, how do they remain in business? How are they able to pay the CEO 20+ million dollars per year? Get real :

Larry: $250.00 per day for picking tomatoes/oranges? Would it surprise you to realize the farm field workers work 42 hours per week, and average pay is $7.45 per hour. If they are lucky enough to secure permanent employment, after 6 years with the same employer, the pay goes up to $8.25 per hour. I don't know which country you live in that pays field farm workers that kind of money, but it certainly isn't the U.S.

Let me tell you how......

"the American public recovered only $70.42 billion of the $79.69 billion loaned through the bailout program, a loss of $9.3 billion, about $65.75 per taxpayer."
http://tnsjournal.com/business/chrysler-gm-still-owe-taxpayers-10-billion-dollars/

When GM pays that back, then they can be "profitable" again. I don't know about your business, but the one my family owns doesn't walk on debt and bask in our glory under false pretenses.

Here's GM's balance sheet:
https://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=GM

Please enlighten us on how such a "profitable" company has $154,362,000,000 in liabilities and only $34,638,000,000 in retained earning and stock holder's equity? GM has a debt to equity ratio of 163.38, not including what we (the tax payers) took in the shorts. Compare that to Toyota's of 109.13. GM is leveraged to the moon and still on the verge of disaster.


Get real :

 

[/VH]

Man, this is getting good.

I enjoy reading other people's opinions. Most are based on or from personal experience. The problem is, is that they base their entire opinion on personal experience, good or bad. Unions can be both good and bad. You can read that as either necessary or imposing. The term "UNION" merely means to band together for a singular cause. The "Colonies", if you pardon the term, "unionized" against the King of England for much the same reason "unions" start against companies or corporations. We call the Founding Fathers "Patriots">>>England called them "insurgents". It does not matter how "independent" you believe you are, bring a sufficient cause into the fray and anyone will band together! I am forgetting, what do we call people who band together for a common cause?? Hmmm???

Conspirators?

 

[Shrek]

We the people, in order to form a more perfect UNION....

 

[savagedasher]

How much is set aside for retired employees . Larry

 

[Shrek]

Btw , someone here was holding up German manufacturing as a shining example of greatness. The unions there sit on the board of directors and just about everything is unionized. They are or are very close to the most productive economy on earth. It's not the fact of unionization. It's the management philosophy of both in the USA.

 

[BigBlueandGoldie]

Btw , someone here was holding up German manufacturing as a shining example of greatness. The unions there sit on the board of directors and just about everything is unionized. They are or are very close to the most productive economy on earth. It's not the fact of unionization. It's the management philosophy of both in the USA.

This is very true, it depends heavily on the individual union and it's management. I have a very good friend that owns a union shop and he sits on the union BOD. The antics UAW workers get away with wouldn't be tolerated under his watch. He also lays off non-union family members the same way he lays off union employees when things are tight, so he is highly respected for being fair across the board.

 

[hogpatrol]

Pit one group of workers against the other. Those union guys are EVIL. Those non-union guys are SCABS.
It's as old as the pyramids. You can see it in this thread and it WORKS! Meanwhile the few smartER people running the world are laughing all the way to the bank. Been said many times "The working man is his own worst enemy".

On another note, over the years, I've worked with union and non-union workers. Many fought in WW2, Vietnam, Desert Storm and Afghanistan. Regardless of their politics and feelings for unions one way or the other, I loved them all. ;D

 

[ShootDots]

Man, this is getting good.

I enjoy reading other people's opinions. Most are based on or from personal experience. The problem is, is that they base their entire opinion on personal experience, good or bad. Unions can be both good and bad. You can read that as either necessary or imposing. The term "UNION" merely means to band together for a singular cause. The "Colonies", if you pardon the term, "unionized" against the King of England for much the same reason "unions" start against companies or corporations. We call the Founding Fathers "Patriots">>>England called them "insurgents". It does not matter how "independent" you believe you are, bring a sufficient cause into the fray and anyone will band together! I am forgetting, what do we call people who band together for a common cause?? Hmmm???

Conspirators?

You are exactly right /VH! There is both GOOD and BAD connotations with the word "Conspire"! One of the definitions has nothing to do with an "evil intent"! It simply means "To come or band together for a common cause or goal"! There is no evil intent tied to that definition. There is the other side of the coin of course, as in the "Conspiracy or Plot" to kill President Lincoln! That is what is "commonly" meant by a conspiracy>>> but that is only 1 definition. Were the "Founding Fathers "Conspirators"? Of course they were, as far as the King of England was concerned! But as far as "Our Patriot Founding Fathers" were concerned, there was sufficient cause to "Unionize" or "Conspire" against the King! As a matter of fact, after the war, gaining our "independence", if I am not mistaken, our military was called "The Union Army"! Whew! I wonder why??

 

[JRS]

It's amazing how Japanese and European car manufacturers can make money assembling cars in the US, but the American car manufacturers can't. What's the difference between the two?..........oh that's right, the UAW has to have their hand in everything the American car manufacturers do.

My grandfather worked for GM on the assembly lines in Saginaw as a kid, made his living selling auto parts, and he'll tell you exactly what the UAW has done to the American manufacturers. And to put things in perspective, he was Ford's top seller of auto parts and Chrysler's second top seller west of the Mississippi, so he wasn't a small fish. If you ever bought an American made auto part from Auto Shack (now Autozone) or Checker up until the mid 70's it likely came through him. FWIW, he now buys primarily German cars due the quality issues related to American cars. Hell, he was glad to get out of Michigan where we still have family working for GM. It's sad

Really If they aren't making money, how do they remain in business? How are they able to pay the CEO 20+ million dollars per year? Get real :

Larry: $250.00 per day for picking tomatoes/oranges? Would it surprise you to realize the farm field workers work 42 hours per week, and average pay is $7.45 per hour. If they are lucky enough to secure permanent employment, after 6 years with the same employer, the pay goes up to $8.25 per hour. I don't know which country you live in that pays field farm workers that kind of money, but it certainly isn't the U.S.

JRS, there are some thing you cant find on google. Larry is in Florida, and yes the Mexicans can make very good money. Its been a few years, but last I heard my cousin was paying a minimum of 12.00 cash for a Mexican to run a weed whip. They take it back to Mexico and live like kings. Also, a lot of farms pay per bushel. I used to get .25 a bushel to pick apples as a kid, and if you move it adds up fast.

Alex: the figures I quoted are the wages from the UFW (United Farm Workers of America) a labor union. So - if the non-union tomato/orange pickers in Florida are making $250.00 per day, and the union farm workers are making $7.00-$8.00 per hour, based on a 42 hour week, who is screwing whom at the grocery store? It certainly isn't the UNION farm worker. Out of curiosity, Alex, during what year time frame were auto mechanics making 100k per year? Not trying to be nosey, but one of my neighbors has been a technician (mechanic) for Massano Mercedes Benz since 1995. Is that figure based on a 40 hour work week?

 

[dickn52]

Ok, I admit I haven't read every page of this one, but wasn't the OP about outsourcing to China? I just looked at RCBS web site, and yes they are owned by about everyone at one time or another, but I can't find any moves to Idaho listed. Maybe an expansion when the last change of ownership? http://www.rcbs.com/Company/About-Us.aspx

 

[JRS]

Ok, I admit I haven't read every page of this one, but wasn't the OP about outsourcing to China? I just looked at RCBS web site, and yes they are owned by about everyone at one time or another, but I can't find any moves to Idaho listed. Maybe an expansion when the last change of ownership? http://www.rcbs.com/Company/About-Us.aspx

The Rock Chucker parts I received last week came from Oroville, CA.

 

[hogpatrol]

Back on topic, I bought an old RCBS press from another member and needed some parts for it. Called RCBS to purchase them and was told "we'll ship those to you, no charge, just need your address". God only knows how many times that press had been sold, resold, moved, etc. It was pretty old. Country of origin aside, that type of customer service makes for loyal customers.

 

[justpassinthru]

The quality necessary for precision reloading will likely not be found in products coming from China. In an earlier post I mentioned the fact the Scott Parker will only tune scales made in the USA, which is a perfect example.
When companies like Redding and a handful of others are gone, what will we do then?
I know for a fact Reddings customer service is equal to that of RCBS, and they are still in business.
I love the Burris Signature rings and sent them an email stating I would gladly pay double for them to be made in the USA. All I got in response were crickets. The China ones work but in my eyes, they are very cheaply made. That standard might be OK for some things, but many it will not.
I probably take this too seriously, but to me it is a big deal.

 

[JRS]

Unless the firearms industry folds, I seriously doubt Redding and others will be gone.

 

[savagedasher]

The quality necessary for precision reloading will likely not be found in products coming from China. In an earlier post I mentioned the fact the Scott Parker will only tune scales made in the USA, which is a perfect example.
When companies like Redding and a handful of others are gone, what will we do then?
I know for a fact Reddings customer service is equal to that of RCBS, and they are still in business.
I love the Burris Signature rings and sent them an email stating I would gladly pay double for them to be made in the USA. All I got in response were crickets. The China ones work but in my eyes, they are very cheaply made. That standard might be OK for some things, but many it will not.
I probably take this too seriously, but to me it is a big deal.

Check where the parts for Nightforce scopes are made Not THE USA . Larry

 

[savagedasher]

The most accurate scale made detect a YOCTOGRAM and it is made in Barcelona Spain NOT THE USA
Larry

 

[justpassinthru]

What do either of these examples have to do with the junk made in China?