Is RCBS just another import marketing company these days ?
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It has been brought to my attention that my Redding Big Boss 2 was not made in China. The Packaging said otherwise. The fit and finish reinforces the statements on the packaging. The crinkle coating has drips and blems. The press works just fine. I would not buy another or recommend it to anyone. It looks like HF.
If I have made false statements, I apologize to Redding and any person I may have offended.
I have been in manufacturing for 35 years and am disgusted by the state of manufacturing in the U.S., and the perceptions and acceptance of the general public to the merchandise they purchase. I buy Redding dies. I may change just for principle.
deepwater
If I have made false statements, I apologize to Redding and any person I may have offended.
I have been in manufacturing for 35 years and am disgusted by the state of manufacturing in the U.S., and the perceptions and acceptance of the general public to the merchandise they purchase. I buy Redding dies. I may change just for principle.
deepwater
How many are willing to put their money where their mouth is.
American made car - $70,000.00+
Quality American made dress shoes - $285.00+
" " " " shirts - $75.00+
The list goes on and on. If Americans had the slightest interest in buying American, there would be no Walmart, Target, etc; etc. Those complaining the most, have no problem shopping at these stores. If our cars and trucks were 100% American made, you would be paying twice the price you pay now. You want quality for cheap. It doesn't work that way.
American made car - $70,000.00+
Quality American made dress shoes - $285.00+
" " " " shirts - $75.00+
The list goes on and on. If Americans had the slightest interest in buying American, there would be no Walmart, Target, etc; etc. Those complaining the most, have no problem shopping at these stores. If our cars and trucks were 100% American made, you would be paying twice the price you pay now. You want quality for cheap. It doesn't work that way.
Scott Parker won't even work on a RCBS scale that isn't made in the USA.
Wonder how the RCBS customer service people everyone raves about, would explain that?
BTW, I just bought a pair of Justin boots and a Carhartt jacket. Both were made in the USA and I gladly paid more because of it.
Wonder how the RCBS customer service people everyone raves about, would explain that?
BTW, I just bought a pair of Justin boots and a Carhartt jacket. Both were made in the USA and I gladly paid more because of it.
hogpatrol
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Except for the U.S. and a few other countries, after World War Two, the worlds manufacturing base was in shambles and basically destroyed. During the war, we had the most efficient manufacturing system ever known and used it after the war to become the world's supplier of finished goods. We bought raw materials from developing countries and used our own to make finished goods. Adding value to those raw materials, that is what builds a middle class and during that time, good paying jobs, whether they be union or non union were used to send kids to college, buy houses, cars and generally live a good life. It's what the rest of the world, mainly China, has learned but it has taken them a long time to come on board to that way building their middle classes. Look at what China is doing now, buying raw materials from US, amongst others, lumber, metal, cotton, and other commodities and turning them in to finished products and then shipping them to Walmart, Target, Kmart, Cabela's, Bass Pro, etc. They figured it out, congress passed free trade laws (both sides of the aisle) and as a result, real wages have stagnated but we have been able to maintain a reasonably good standard of living through cheap imported finished goods. The only "gotcha" to this lifestyle is good paying U.S. manufacturing jobs going offshore and the demise of what was once a flourishing blue collar supported middle class, the tax base necessary to support the social safety nets, national debt and infrastructure. You can blame America's manufacturing malaise on the unions, regulations, work ethics or demographics but from where I sit, the world just caught up to us, it is what it is and likely isn't going to change anytime soon.
Labor unions have done more to debilitate US manufacturing/production & workplace productivity, than anything else.
IMHO, blindly buying "American" these days & assuming that you're doing something positive for this country, is rife with hypocrisy. All it takes is a little digging, and you'll see that a company like RCBS is not the problem. Their business model has been forced by the hand of the much larger issue...
Quit grandstanding over nonsense, and WAKE UP.
Wanna fry a fish? Skip over the RCBS 'minnow', and get the harpoon out for the great white whale. Start an "anti-union" thread and see how far that goes...
IMHO, blindly buying "American" these days & assuming that you're doing something positive for this country, is rife with hypocrisy. All it takes is a little digging, and you'll see that a company like RCBS is not the problem. Their business model has been forced by the hand of the much larger issue...
Quit grandstanding over nonsense, and WAKE UP.
Wanna fry a fish? Skip over the RCBS 'minnow', and get the harpoon out for the great white whale. Start an "anti-union" thread and see how far that goes...
The harpoon has been delivered. Union membership is just about gone. Once it disappears, minimum wage, the Davis Bacon Act and many other labor laws will disappear with it. You'll work for wages that your employer is willing to pay. At that point, "made in America" will once again exist in this country, though you'll be working for wages similar to China and Mexico ;D I worked as a Union Ironworker for MANY years. You didn't contribute a single penny into my benefits. However, I am one of many that fought for the labor laws that protect you to this dayfredo said:
JRS said:The harpoon has been delivered. Union membership is just about gone. Once it disappears, minimum wage, the Davis Bacon Act and many other labor laws will disappear with it. You'll work for wages that your employer is willing to pay. At that point, "made in America" will once again exist in this country, though you'll be working for wages similar to China and Mexico ;D I worked as a Union Ironworker for MANY years. You didn't contribute a single penny into my benefits. However, I am one of many that fought for the labor laws that protect you to this day
Sir, obviously you are not part of the problem & of the older generation when unions actually served a purpose.
Anymore, unions these days provide a shelter where employees can 'buck the system' for their own benefit. If you are not privy to the "ins & outs" of how unions & their workers exploit protections to maximize income & undermine productivity, then I can't help you.
Kudos to you for living right. Unfortunately, the labor unions of today don't share your ideals. Least not any that I have dealings with. They're as crooked as a rope in a barrel...
fredo said:JRS said:The harpoon has been delivered. Union membership is just about gone. Once it disappears, minimum wage, the Davis Bacon Act and many other labor laws will disappear with it. You'll work for wages that your employer is willing to pay. At that point, "made in America" will once again exist in this country, though you'll be working for wages similar to China and Mexico ;D I worked as a Union Ironworker for MANY years. You didn't contribute a single penny into my benefits. However, I am one of many that fought for the labor laws that protect you to this day
Sir, obviously you are not part of the problem & of the older generation when unions actually served a purpose.
Anymore, unions these days provide a shelter where employees can 'buck the system' for their own benefit. If you are not privy to the "ins & outs" of how unions & their workers exploit protections to maximize income & undermine productivity, then I can't help you.
Kudos to you for living right. Unfortunately, the labor unions of today don't share your ideals. Least not any that I have dealings with. They're as crooked as a rope in a barrel...
The problem isn't with labor unions, but rather the private sector unions. It is the private sector that makes up the majority of union membership in the U.S. Once unions in this country are gone, the voice for labor, labor law protection and representation goes with them. Non-union employees will not speak up, for fear of losing their jobs. It's always been that way, and will remain that way.fredo said:JRS said:The harpoon has been delivered. Union membership is just about gone. Once it disappears, minimum wage, the Davis Bacon Act and many other labor laws will disappear with it. You'll work for wages that your employer is willing to pay. At that point, "made in America" will once again exist in this country, though you'll be working for wages similar to China and Mexico ;D I worked as a Union Ironworker for MANY years. You didn't contribute a single penny into my benefits. However, I am one of many that fought for the labor laws that protect you to this day
Sir, obviously you are not part of the problem & of the older generation when unions actually served a purpose.
Anymore, unions these days provide a shelter where employees can 'buck the system' for their own benefit. If you are not privy to the "ins & outs" of how unions & their workers exploit protections to maximize income & undermine productivity, then I can't help you.
Kudos to you for living right. Unfortunately, the labor unions of today don't share your ideals. Least not any that I have dealings with. They're as crooked as a rope in a barrel...
Is the UAW a "labor" union, or a "private sector" union?
Call them what you will. For the purposes of this discussion, a union is a union.
My point was, the system put in place with good intentions for the protection of laborers has been bastardized to the point of outright fraud. And we, the American consumer, are subsidizing it, defacto...
Rep. Bacon & Sen. Davis are prolly rolling in their graves in digust.
Call them what you will. For the purposes of this discussion, a union is a union.
My point was, the system put in place with good intentions for the protection of laborers has been bastardized to the point of outright fraud. And we, the American consumer, are subsidizing it, defacto...
Rep. Bacon & Sen. Davis are prolly rolling in their graves in digust.
To make a blanket statement that all unions are bad makes an assumption that all employers are good. That they will always do the right thing by their employees. This to me is pure folly. Their are some great employers, and some horrible, and the same would apply to unions. In order to be a good union member you must also be a good company member. When your employer is making money you should get an equitable portion of those profits. On the other hand an employee must be ready to sacrifice if conditions reverse. It's a way for larger companies to deal with their workforce fairly. Barlow
Absolutely, I agree. Shouldn't make a blanket accusation.
Point was, there is a pervasive 'union mentality' that has taken over...EVERYWHERE.
Hard work is no longer rewarded, and the lowest common denominator is what workers strive to achieve. IE, do as little work as possible, still make the same $$$ and reap the same benefits as your fellow hardworking employee.
The current union atmosphere allows that to happen, and actually protects it! And when that hardworking employee realizes that a slack-azz co-worker is getting the same wage as him/her, then the entire workforce becomes polluted...
Sadly, that is what happens in today's workforce. The notion of "do as little as possible to skate by, while padding your pockets with overtime & adding to your pension from incentives" is what I see that drives today's union labor force.
Take your Jefferson quote & apply it to unions & union labor. Same rules apply.
Point was, there is a pervasive 'union mentality' that has taken over...EVERYWHERE.
Hard work is no longer rewarded, and the lowest common denominator is what workers strive to achieve. IE, do as little work as possible, still make the same $$$ and reap the same benefits as your fellow hardworking employee.
The current union atmosphere allows that to happen, and actually protects it! And when that hardworking employee realizes that a slack-azz co-worker is getting the same wage as him/her, then the entire workforce becomes polluted...
Sadly, that is what happens in today's workforce. The notion of "do as little as possible to skate by, while padding your pockets with overtime & adding to your pension from incentives" is what I see that drives today's union labor force.
Take your Jefferson quote & apply it to unions & union labor. Same rules apply.
Here is a very good article: prospect.org/article/if-labor-dies-what-next
If the article isn't accessible, you can find it through google by typing in: If Labor Dies, What's Next? The American Prospect
BTW: that guy with his arse out on a limb without fall protection is a "Union Ironworker" 8)
If the article isn't accessible, you can find it through google by typing in: If Labor Dies, What's Next? The American Prospect
BTW: that guy with his arse out on a limb without fall protection is a "Union Ironworker" 8)
BoydAllen
Gold $$ Contributor
Products that are made using labor that is paid decently generally cost more than those that are mad using labor that is paid slave wages. Whether labor is union or not, the rate at which they are paid, in this country is likely to be influenced by the union rates. One of the little spoken of downsides of undocumented workers is that since they have virtually no ability to bargain, they depress wages in every sector that they are employed in. If you are angry about union corruption, consider that virtually all human endeavor of any size is, that it is the nature of human enterprise.
My wife worked hard in a factory for forty years. If she had not belonged to a union, she would not have had decent benefits, wages, or any sort of retirement. Her wages were fair, but certainly not over generous. I grow tires of people who have listened to the anti union rhetoric that comes from their radios, carrying on about things that they no little of the history of, and no experience with. In the past I have worked for a company in which the Teamsters Union represented the workers. There had been a strike, and the result was a two step system where the existing workers maintained status quo, and new hires came in under lower wages and benefits. The company that my wife worked at has done the same thing, without a strike. These new workers will not be able to buy houses, and the taxes that they pay will contribute less to the cost of government services than if they were making decent wages. How do you have well educated middle class communities if wages are continually being driven down? The only force that resists this is the organization of labor. Nothing else can accomplish it. Yes, unions are certainly less than perfect, some more than others, but they also do a lot of good, and I think that it is time that someone spoke up about that.
My wife worked hard in a factory for forty years. If she had not belonged to a union, she would not have had decent benefits, wages, or any sort of retirement. Her wages were fair, but certainly not over generous. I grow tires of people who have listened to the anti union rhetoric that comes from their radios, carrying on about things that they no little of the history of, and no experience with. In the past I have worked for a company in which the Teamsters Union represented the workers. There had been a strike, and the result was a two step system where the existing workers maintained status quo, and new hires came in under lower wages and benefits. The company that my wife worked at has done the same thing, without a strike. These new workers will not be able to buy houses, and the taxes that they pay will contribute less to the cost of government services than if they were making decent wages. How do you have well educated middle class communities if wages are continually being driven down? The only force that resists this is the organization of labor. Nothing else can accomplish it. Yes, unions are certainly less than perfect, some more than others, but they also do a lot of good, and I think that it is time that someone spoke up about that.
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