Is RCBS just another import marketing company these days ?

[savagedasher]

I'm not going to stop shooting because the products aren't made in the USA
Only 18% of the copper is USA made I have to assume most jackets aren't USA and None of the lead the powder I use is made out of the USA The primers I use isn't USA made brass I know isn't USA made
Larry

 

[JRS]

I'm not going to stop shooting because the products aren't made in the USA
Only 18% of the copper is USA made I have to assume most jackets aren't USA and None of the lead the powder I use is made out of the USA The primers I use isn't USA made brass I know isn't USA made
Larry

And add to that, most of our scrap steel is sold to China and Korea.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I think the reason lots of our products are made elsewhere is the regulations put them out. I know of a bunch of chrome shops that i used to use on harley parts had to shut down. Can you imagine the regulations we would have on a gunpowder factory? I once did some work in a rocket motor factory. They confiscated my cigarette lighter and steel tools at the gate.

 

[Tuxedo007]

for those who stop buying RCBS because the get some components mfg over seas, I have a question,

what powder do you burn? do you use Lapau brass? what scopes do you use, come on fellows level the playing field.

RCBS is undoubtedly one of the fines run and caring companies I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with

Bob

I go back to the early 70's w/RCBS. Have never had an issue that was not quickly & extremely well handled!! That is why I stay with them. At least I can still afford their products! I cannot justify paying such a premium price for other manufacturers products...Yes, they may be still "Made in the U.S.A", but, if they don't expand their customer bases, they will not be made at all!
Tuxedo007

 

[Shrek]

All the steel , copper , car , electronics , ect aren't made in the USA isn't a reason to accept that it has to be that way , is good , inevitable , or anything else. Every stand and fight has to start somewhere and I'm not quietly , cooperatively , or happily going along with outsourcing my loading equipment. The vast bulk of the industry is still here and doing well so I'm going to buy made in the USA for myself whenever possible and if that means switching brands of press , die , and tool maker I'm doing it. All the RCBS stuff I've owned has been mediocre so ditching RCBS has already happened for the most part by me. If RCBS is hurt or destroyed by this who cares ? They're just another import marketing brand at this point owned by a hedge fund. I'm encouraging everyone to buy American instead of an import when you buy your tools. There are still lots of great choices in our sport and I encourage everyone to help keep it that way.

 

[Shrek]

"I go back to the early 70's w/RCBS. Have never had an issue that was not quickly & extremely well handled!! That is why I stay with them. At least I can still afford their products! I cannot justify paying such a premium price for other manufacturers products...Yes, they may be still "Made in the U.S.A", but, if they don't expand their customer bases, they will not be made at all!
Tuxedo007"

I've used a bunch of Lee dies and they all performed as good as the standard RCBS dies and cost less. Across the board you can find the equivalent items made in the USA for about the same or less than RCBS' s products. I'm sure you can find an exception but basically RCBS is going for a quick buck.

 

[JRS]

It would be great to live in a world of what used to be, or, what we would like for it to be. However, we live in a world of actuality.

 

[BigBlueandGoldie]

I go back to the early 70's w/RCBS. Have never had an issue that was not quickly & extremely well handled!! That is why I stay with them. At least I can still afford their products! I cannot justify paying such a premium price for other manufacturers products...Yes, they may be still "Made in the U.S.A", but, if they don't expand their customer bases, they will not be made at all!
Tuxedo007

Maybe if you and the rest of America would focus more on buying American manufactured quality instead of "cheap", our economy would be better and you could afford to buy American made goods. I'm 30yrs old and understand the value in American manufacturing; it baffles me how some of you older guys can sit here and justify sending jobs overseas. Obviously, we can't buy 100% made in USA products, but I'd rather pay a premium for American products where the opportunity exists than pay a premium on my taxes because we have high unemployment.

And for those who keep bringing up the use of imported electronics (including the phone I'm using), there will never be major electronics manufactured in America (maybe assembled) due to the chemicals involved. Thank the EPA.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

You don't have to buy from other countries, Alex. Everything you use and wear you can purchase from American manufacturers. Clothing can be purchased from the garment district in New York and LA. Shoes from Allen Edmonds. Those shoes and clothing will cost you quadruple the price you pay for imported goods. Redding products are no longer made in the U.S.A. They can apply the "made in U.S.A." label on the boxes as long as the majority of the components are not imported. I just bought another new Ford F-150 that has the "proudly made in the U.S.A." sticker on the window, although the window sticker states 30% of the parts came from other countries. My Porsche is made 100% in Germany, without parts from other countries. We have priced ourselves completely out of the markets, and very few people in this country are willing to pay for "American made" goods.

I do search out everything I can thats made here and will happily pay 4x as much, within the abilties I have. I gauruntee if everyone did the same we'd live in a very different county. I needed a new thermos, Stanley went to China, so I got on ebay and found an older US made one. You just dont buy the junk and the companies will bring it back here. I promise you I practice what I preach. Its my opinion that this country needs a strong industrial and manufacturing base like we used to.

 

[Shrek]

I think the reason lots of our products are made elsewhere is the regulations put them out. I know of a bunch of chrome shops that i used to use on harley parts had to shut down. Can you imagine the regulations we would have on a gunpowder factory? I once did some work in a rocket motor factory. They confiscated my cigarette lighter and steel tools at the gate.

They took your lighter and tools for everyone's safety not because it was .gov regulations. Thirty years ago or more now my buddy went to repair a concrete tank at the powder plant in St Marks Florida. They took everything he had on him basically and then had two fire hoses pouring water on him as he jack hammered the floor section out of the cleaned out tank to be absolutely sure no spark could be thrown in an empty tank. They had cleared and cleaned the whole area of the plant and sealed it off. No chances taken ! He said everything was made to be sparke free. Lots of wood and brass. An electrical contractor I talked to who worked there said the electical precautions were insane. Back then I think it was Dupont that owned it and it was their policies not the regulations.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

The lighter and tools are a whole different story- it has to do with nobody being able to afford to make gunpowder here. Wonder why theres no gunpowder being made here? I know why they took my tools and lighter- i worked in hydrogen and natural gas intrinsic atmospheres all my career when i worked for the man.

 

[savagedasher]

I cant think of one sport that uses and depends on products not being made in USA then the shooting sport.

 

[bheadboy]

I think those who post the buy clothes made in the US need to consider ?

where did the cotton come from, where did the polyester come from, etc. they may have been assembled here but the fabric most likely is composed of imported components,
also,,
consider the dies that give you the color you love, hummmp

Come on fellows,

wake up
we are in a world economy and that is fact.

Bob

 

[Geronimo Jim]

The Environment Protection Agency is moving manufacturing overseas as much
as anything else.

 

[JRS]

I cant think of one sport that uses and depends on products not being made in USA then the shooting sport.

Really? Football, Baseball, Soccer, Basketball, Tennis, Volleyball, Skiing, BMX, etc; etc. Where do their clothes and shoes come from? Weight training equipment? How about the different motorcycle and auto racing sports? This isn't 1950 :

 

[Steve Blair]

EPA regulations in our country have all but eliminated casting foundries.

[br]
This statement is simply and demonstrably incorrect. There are approximately 2000 ferrous and non-ferrous foundries in the United States, divided approximately 75%-25% between jobbing and captive. There has been considerable consolidation but the total volume has remained around $34B/year for several years. Large volume, cheap castings are often sourced offshore but many industries have discovered that costs related to oversight, QA, transportation and reaction time negate direct part savings. [br]
I've sourced castings from Pacific Steel Casting in, of all places, Berkeley, CA. They are one of the three largest in the US and well known for high quality castings.

 

[redrockranger]

We can't compete with 3rd world country's until we become one . We have to devalue our currency known as the dollar,the whole world is playing this fiat currency game,personally i think it will end in a disaster.

In the time frame of the last 20 years every financial calamity ends in strengthing the Socialist party. Good people become desparate.

 

[Shrek]

I think those who post the buy clothes made in the US need to consider ?

where did the cotton come from, where did the polyester come from, etc. they may have been assembled here but the fabric most likely is composed of imported components,
also,,
consider the dies that give you the color you love, hummmp

Come on fellows,

wake up
we are in a world economy and that is fact.

Bob

Well Bob , the company that I bought all those jeans and Tshirts from claims that the fabric is US made and since the U.S. produces a large amount of cotton and exports it all over the world I'd guess the cotton itself is from the USA. A lot of people believe what the media tells them. According to them nothing is made here and it's all the .gov's fault and we live in a global economy and you should be happy you get more than a cup of rice a day. Well , there's still a lot of companies trying to make things here and with people making a concious choice to find them and buy from them instead of the Walmart Chinese pimps they will make it. I have really just started looking and I'm regularly pleasantly surprised at what I find when I get online and look. The reloading tool industry is mostly American and by shunning companies like RCBS we can keep it that way.

 

[Shrek]

Several of the posters here and so many people I know are complete surrender monkeys. Give up and accept third world status under socialist rule they keep saying. You're a fool to believe in American exceptionalism they say. Well , This fool isn't going quietly.

 

[savagedasher]

Here is my take. The reason this happened 1 The unions When we employed some one Not only were the hired for 20 years but we had to provide there living for life. We couldn't Fire them for shoddy work. Company's could no longer Require Quality. 2 The EPA has way too much power. 3 The lack of skilled employees in the USA is at it low. Most that work here want paid for no production. 4 Who's fault is it MINE AND ALL DADS that didn't was their kids to have to work like they did. Skilled employees have ben replaced with robots that is never sick works 24 /7 and the quality is better.
But crying about RCBS is Stupid . MY scope, brass, bullet, powder and most primers along with the steel is not
USA made. Merry Christmas Larry