Info on 6x47 Remington ?

[RLB]

Not sure if this is correct place to ask but I thought with wildcat in the title I would give it a go.
Curious about the old school 6x47 Remington.
Is anyone still playing around with one ?
I have been playing with a tight neck chamber turning case necks and getting ok results with n133 and 64 columns in Nosler .222 mag cases
I really like this gun. Not sure if it is a contender or not but definitely fun.
Any thoughts , any interest or info would be appreciated.
I was considering using it at my 1st official short range match coming up. ???
Thanks

 

[Krogen]

I have a 40-XBR that I drag out now and then. IMR4198 has been the best powder so far, but I haven't tried any Vihtavouri in it yet. I have a stash of .222 Rem Mag cases to form, but as you probably know they aren't common. I heard that .204 Ruger can be formed into 6X47 Rem so I bought some of those too - as yet unused. I would expect they'd need annealing after necking them up. It's quite a stretch from 20 cal to 6mm.

 

[ricco1949]

I have a 40-XBR that I drag out now and then. IMR4198 has been the best powder so far, but I haven't tried any Vihtavouri in it yet. I have a stash of .222 Rem Mag cases to form, but as you probably know they aren't common. I heard that .204 Ruger can be formed into 6X47 Rem so I bought some of those too - as yet unused. I would expect they'd need annealing after necking them up. It's quite a stretch from 20 cal to 6mm.

I would blow those 204s out with a wax bullet rather than neck up.

 

[RLB]

I have not done anything with the .204 case. I have a few .222 mags turned and bumped to 6mm. I am a newbie for sure but I really like the tech of finding best load possible. I used N135 with decent results. Bumping my 133 loads up to 26.4 today to see if I can reach 3250-3300fps without psi issues or losing the accuracy I currently have.
Not sure if it’s a ridiculous idea to compete with it. It would be cool to beat say 10% of the 6ppc field. lol. But I am probably a better loader than a shooter so maybe 5%.

 

[RLB]

I would love to anything you would share.
When it actually start. Why ? Was it competitive? Was it the .30BR of the day ?
Loads, bullets ,accuracy expectations
Truly fishing trying to learn.
Thanks !
Appreciate the time.

 

[Will Henry]

My first BR rifle was a 40X in 6x47, which I bought in 1976. It shot reasonably well but not great. I put enough rounds through it to wear it out in '77. I rebarreled it with a Hart barrel in the winter of '77-78. At the same time, I bedded it into a Brown Precision stock. It shot much better. It shot even better after I glued it into the stock. I glued only ahead of the trigger and everything to the rear of the loading port was free-floated. My load consisted of 26.5 of 4895 (either Hodgdons or IMR, it didn't seem to matter much). It would shoot 70 sierras into about .240 on average. With 70 grain McCracken BT's it would shoot into .220 or better. I used Federal match brass with the necks turned for .0005" clearance. Primer pockets would loosen after five or six firings. I think it was in 1980 that I came in second at 100yd at the Northwest Regional match at Issaquah Washington; shooting this rifle in the Unlimited class (Unfortunately, I was unable to deal with the twitchy Issaquah conditions at 200 and the wheels came off in the afternoon).
This was one of the most forgiving rifles I ever owned. It shot the same, no matter how I held it. No matter what the weather. It also shot well using H322. It hated Federal primers. If I wanted to double my group size, I only had to substitute Federals for the CCI's I generally used. When I converted the rifle to 6ppc, this still held true. WH

 

[RLB]

Sweet. Thanks for the time.

 

[RLB]

Do you happen to know what kind of fps you were at with most accurate loads?

 

[RLB]

. Awesome.

 

[RLB]

N133 at 26.4 got me in the neighborhood of 3225 fps this afternoon with 5.

 

[BRGUY]

RLB,

since you and I have been communicating through PM, I deleted my posts here.

 

[Will Henry]

I never chronographed this rifle. I suspect I was getting around 3000 fps from my 20 inch barrel. WH

 

[357Mag]

I would love to anything you would share.
When it actually start. Why ? Was it competitive? Was it the .30BR of the day ?
Loads, bullets ,accuracy expectations
Truly fishing trying to learn.
Thanks !
Appreciate the time.

RLB -

Howdy !

My best friend and I were shooting custom varmint rifles in the mid/latter -70’s, and decided to also try short range benchrest…. just as the 6PPC came to the fore.
Our riflesmith Fred Sinclair was an NBRSA Hall of Fame’r, and made me my first benchrest rifle ( .22BR ).

From memory…..once the 6PPC came on the scene, the .222s, .222 1/2s, “Deuce Mags”,
old tymee 6X47 and such….. all went away.

My best friend stayed “ with it “ after his first year competing in the NBRSA Eastern Region, after debuting as NBRSA “Rookie of the Year “; and still competes today.
What he says about the 6X47 was that you could not “ agg “ as well consistently with it, as you could with the 6PPC.

He also has said that when shooting .224” cal benchrest cartridges against 6PPCs, you’ll
be “ giving up a little “ when shooting a .224” in significantly breezy or windy conditions; where 6mm cal benchrest bullets have an edge.


With regards,
357Mag

 

[357Mag]

I would love to anything you would share.
When it actually start. Why ? Was it competitive? Was it the .30BR of the day ?
Loads, bullets ,accuracy expectations
Truly fishing trying to learn.
Thanks !
Appreciate the time.

RLB-

Howdy, again !

I want to share some info seen in the 1974 “ Guns & Ammo Annual “…
In the back of the magazine, they listed many different “ factory “ guns and their chamberings; also including a B &W pic representing each gun.

In the section listing 1974 Remington rifles, the .222Mag chambering was only offered in the Remington Model 40XB-BR ( according to G & A ). The .223 chambering was offered in their M700BDL Varmint Rifle and M40XB-BR benchrest rifle that year. 30 April 1975 the War in Vietnam was over, and the 5.56 / .223 along with the M-16/AR-15 were NOT back then the darling of the sporting world that they are today…. due to the U.S.’ Vietnam experience w/ the 5.56. Notwithstanding, the same 5.56 case that beat out the Deuce Mag for use in U.S. Military applications would years later drive both the .222 and .222Remington into virtual obscurity.

In the rifle’ ballistics section of the same magazine, Remington factory loads were listed for both a 55gr “ Power Lokt “ hollow point, and for a 55gr Soft Point. Remington listed both loads as providing 3,300fps from a 26” barrel.

The same 1974 Guns & Ammo Anual had dedicated 18 pages to what they titled
“ The Powley Papers “ . These were excerpts of various technical writings, graphs, and charts dealing w/ internal & extenal ballistics; authored by renowned ballistician Homer
Powley. In a “ Powder and Bullet Weight Combinations “ list, Powley suggested use of IMR 3031 when shooting 50gr bullets from a .222 Magnum, and listed use of IMR 4064
when shooting 55gr bullets from a “ Deuce Mag “.

Without specifying barrel length or specifics for the particular “ homologous “ bullet weight he used, Powley listed other data for .222Magnum that stated a load giving 1,330ft lb Muzzle Energy would have 492 ft lb of retained bullet energy @ 500yd; along with 67” of drop at that same distance. Just for fun, one could “ plug ‘n play “ different .224” cal bullet weights/styles from today’s offerings into an ( on-line ) ballistics program….. and see what bullet wt Powley used for obtaining the data ?


With regards,
357Mag

 

[RLB]

That is cool. !!
Thanks a lot

 

[RLB]

I am not talking smack. I am far from a solid consistent shot but it would be pretty cool to beat a 6ppc ….. maybe even 2.

 

[RLB]

lol !!

 

[gpoldblue]

I am not talking smack. I am far from a solid consistent shot but it would be pretty cool to beat a 6ppc ….. maybe even 2.

If you shoot better than someone with a 6PPC......you're not beating the 6PPC...you're beating the shooter of the 6PPC because he's not got the skill to use the 6PPC to its full potential. The 6PPC has proven itself repeatedly for the last 50 years.
I don't mean this in any way as demeaning your ability. Other chamberings have been used with sporatic
success,but the 6PPC has been and still is the most consistent performer.
Good luck and stay safe.

 

[snert]

A 6x47 is a fine cartridge but it has limitations...primarily primer pocket enlargement and junky brass. However, for club shooting, where the guys are learning and (maybe not) reading wind, it can shoot well enough to be enjoyable, I shoot a 6x50...made from RWS 5.56 x 50 Mag brass in an old 1980's BR rig built by Fred Sinclair. Tellingly, I also shoot his personal 22PPC which is a sister to the 6x50.

I am shooting a 66 grain Cheek FB or a 55 grain NBT (groundhog) with 27 grains H322 and a federal match primer. I don't know the velocity but it shoots better than I can read wind (indicated by my placing in the occasional agg postal match here). I suspect it would take more. So, your -47 being .3 lesser, you should be a little lower.

 

[RLB]

Just an fyi. I completely realize the 6 ppc took over for a reason. I was not knocking them at all. It certainly has proven itself over and over. But when I go to a car show I personally get bored of 4 rows of 69 Camaros. They are certainly awesome. I was just thinking of going down a different road. I still like my pops 1954 .222 Remington. It was the king of the early days of benchrest I was told.
Thank you again for all the interesting information
Much appreciated