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In Need of Schooling-243Win or 243AI

I have been looking at a heavy 6mm build also. Not trying to hijack your thread but have you looked at the 6mm slr. It has caught my attention for a build. anyone have real word experience

I just got a 7.5"twist 26" criterion in 6 SLR on my rifle. So far so good. Ive only shot 110 Matchkings out of it so far. Only .5MOA right now but Im not done tuning.

These were my max speeds, none of which showed pressure but i didnt push the limits.

COAL: 2.920"
H4350: 3110 FPS
H4831SC: 3065 FPS
H1000: 3210 FPS

I went with H1000 and am working in a load around 47.5 grains, 3130 fps ish.

The extra barrel life of the H1000 is a plus as well.
 
243AI, what's not to love? No or nearly no trimming and ~200fps extra with the 105s. I get 3200fps with Re22 and 3280fps with Re26, 24" barrel.

There really is NO down side except for fireforming, and I don't see it there either. Yes, you don't get the performance on that load but they can still be more than the parent, are accurate, and do bad things to varmints.

I shoot 243AI but reloaded ~1K 243s for a couple buddies this year. After all the case trimming I have no regrets about my decision. I've got 850 rounds on my 243AI barrel and haven't trimmed a case.
 
Howdy.
Here's my story...
I am currently shooting and enjoying a Savage M10 with a CBI prefit barrel in 6.5x47Lapua. The gun is accurate enough and a lot of fun to shoot. I have roughly 1600 rounds thru it. I'm running 130's with Varget and hammer steel to 750 (the furthest I've been able to shoot) and it does well on paper. I like it. But, I'm hankering for a change. SOOOOO, I started to take a look at .243W. I have a buddy that shoots a .243 and he crushes most at local, mostly informal comps. I like the little additional speed I'll get and the fact that, if need be, ammo is available from store shelves. But mostly I just want to change it up.

I'm betwixt and between the .243W and .243AI and am wondering what the good and bad points are for each? Also, if anyone has suggestions for loadings that would be a bonus.
I will be building off either a 1:7 or 1:7.5, 24-26" long barrel and my Savage that I will have hard fitted. I'm looking to shoot 110 or 115gn bullets at slightly higher than average speed. Rifle will be used for paper at 300yards 99% of it's life but will get stretched out to 750yards and hopefully 1k+ at some point.

Thanks in advance.
243 Ackley Improved - Reloader 26, 105 gr. Berger, 115 gr. Berger, Lapua Brass. - Your fire-form loads (provided they are a good stiff 243 Win. "standard" load) should also provide very good accuracy & still achieve normal 243 Win. velocities. - I used Reloader 23 & 105 gr. Berger hybrids just off the lands during fire-forming. - Had no trouble getting .3 to .4 five shoot groups at 100. - Then up to RE-26 for the A.I. formed cases.
- As others have posted, go with the A.I. version (which you can still shoot 243 Win factory or reloaded ammo in) and you will not be dissatisfied at all.
 
I shoot the 243's twin sister, the 6mmAI. As you know you can shoot 243 cartridges in a 243AI chamber and they are very accurate. If you enjoy reloading fire forming the cases is a non issue. You'll pick up an extra 6-10% in case capacity and velocity. The only down side is the fact that case life is shorter.
 
I shoot the 243's twin sister, the 6mmAI. As you know you can shoot 243 cartridges in a 243AI chamber and they are very accurate. If you enjoy reloading fire forming the cases is a non issue. You'll pick up an extra 6-10% in case capacity and velocity. The only down side is the fact that case life is shorter.
Case life in an A.I. cartridge in my experience is about the same as the normal factory derived round - Given that both are run under the same/similar pressures. - Case life in it's self is highly dependent on "us" the reloader and how hard we "push" things from the operating pressure standpoint.
A.I. cartridges don't "grow" as much in length as the "factory/parent" cases do. - All operational parameters being equal & with proper F/L sizing - the A.I. case should last the same as the factory/parent. (IMHO)
 
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Case life in an A.I. cartridge in my experience is Longer than the normal factory derived round - Given that both are run under the same/similar pressures. - Case life in it's self is highly dependent on "us" the reloader and how hard we "push" things from the operating pressure standpoint.
A.I. cartridges don't "grow" as much in length as the "factory/parent" cases do. - All operational parameters being equal & with proper F/L sizing - the A.I. case should outlast the factory/parent. (IMHO)
I agree with everything you're saying, especially the fact that the 40 degree shoulder significanyly reduces the need to trim brass. The reason for my comment regarding brass life is simple, a lot of people use the new additional case volume to increase their loads and velocity. I myself have two AI's and both are run hot.

If you keep your loads to moderate levels you will have increased brass life. If you use the extra case volume to increase velocities then primer pockets become loose sooner than normal and sadly reduce case life. I only get 4-5 loads because I like the AI's ability to really reach out there at the longer distances. Brass life depends on how hot you load your brass.
 
Case life in an A.I. cartridge in my experience is Longer than the normal factory derived round - Given that both are run under the same/similar pressures. - Case life in it's self is highly dependent on "us" the reloader and how hard we "push" things from the operating pressure standpoint.
A.I. cartridges don't "grow" as much in length as the "factory/parent" cases do. - All operational parameters being equal & with proper F/L sizing - the A.I. case should outlast the factory/parent. (IMHO)
If an AI version is run at the same pressure as the parent case I doubt case life will change at all.

What's your logic behind AI cases lasting longer? Case growth has never killed a case for me. I run a fair number of AI cases and I've found them to last about the same or less than the parent case. I attribute the decreased life (which is always primer pocket related) to showing pressure signs at higher pressure than the more tapered parent case.

This is my experience only.
 
If an AI version is run at the same pressure as the parent case I doubt case life will change at all.

What's your logic behind AI cases lasting longer? Case growth has never killed a case for me. I run a fair number of AI cases and I've found them to last about the same or less than the parent case. I attribute the decreased life (which is always primer pocket related) to showing pressure signs at higher pressure than the more tapered parent case.

This is my experience only.

Geno - Agree , They both should be equal in life based on equal pressures - I'll edit my post to state just that. - I'm not trying to imply that Improving a case adds life as there's no real logic to substantiate it. - I stand corrected.

Thanks, Ron
 
Geno - Agree , They both should be equal in life based on equal pressures - I'll edit my post to state just that. - I'm not trying to imply that Improving a case adds life as there's no real logic to substantiate it. - I stand corrected.

Thanks, Ron
No worries, just wondering if I missed something. I like AI cases in just about every flavor so if I could make them last without giving up the extra speed, I would!
 
No worries, just wondering if I missed something. I like AI cases in just about every flavor so if I could make them last without giving up the extra speed, I would!
I also have a few that I enjoy shooting. - The "Brass Case" in itself is one of our "limiting factors" and I didn't mean to get the thread off track with my input on it.
The 243 Winchester is a good cartridge (IMO) and I believe that the Ackley Improved design even helps it to achieve a little more especially using heavy bullets in longer barrels. - Again though, we never get something for nothing, If we up the pressure & burn more powder to gain more speed then of course it will cost us some barrel life in the long run. And it's already a proven fact that the brass case is only capable of handling so much before it yields regardless of the quality of the brass being used.
 
Well, I'm pretty much made up on running a straight up 243Win with 107-115 grain bullets. I just like being able to buy brass, load and shoot. Once I have my "house in better order" I will begin playing with odd/exotic calibers with an AI being one of the first. I also have a hankering for a 22x47Lapua, but that's for a different forum and thread altogether.
Thanks to all that helped me with this both publicly and privately.
Now it's on to find a barrel.
 
To how far? Are you a 100/200/300/600/1000/+++ kind of shooter? I'm just trying to find the bullet I want and practical feedback will help me.
The Hornady BTHP Match 105 gr. shoots very well for me, too. I load this one for steel matches and local stuff but I wouldn't feel terribly handicapped with these in the ammo box v. Berger Hybrids. The Bergers shoot a little tighter, especially at extended ranges, but the difference is well within what I can hold on most days.

The Hornady 105 BTHP may not be suitable for LR benchrest, but it's a really decent bullet at a good price. The Lady Kenmore of match bullets, if you will.
 
This one has only been to 1000, it will hold its own on a 10"x20" Impsc. I haven't had this on paper no farther than 300. At 200 last week 5 shot under 1/2". It is definitely not the most accurate 6mm cartridge I shot, but it is accurate and would probably be more so with a better and more expensive bullet. It fits my needs, for now. I have another 6mm Competition Match barrel ready to go running DTAC's. at 3150.
 
This one has only been to 1000, it will hold its own on a 10"x20" Impsc. I haven't had this on paper no farther than 300. At 200 last week 5 shot under 1/2". It is definitely not the most accurate 6mm cartridge I shot, but it is accurate and would probably be more so with a better and more expensive bullet. It fits my needs, for now. I have another 6mm Competition Match barrel ready to go running DTAC's. at 3150.
All I can say is that this bullet out of my .243 AI has beat a whole bunch of folks loading Bergers, Lapua Scenars, Sierra SMKs and the like. My .243 AI has not yet come in second to any rifle in these parts in any course of fire and its every day diet is a 105 Hornady BTHP in front of a stiff charge of RL-26. I've shot a clean score or ten at paint ball golf at my local range - that's popping 9 paint balls at 100 yards with 9 shots - with this bullet. Paint balls are 1/2" in diameter and a challenging target at 100. Try it some time. An experienced BR score shooter with an expensive, purpose-built gun might scoff at the challenge, but your average F/FT R shooter may find it difficult to pop 9 straight at 100 with his/her comp rig.

These bullets will shoot.
 
In my last post, I should have also added: or improve this load at longer range. But like I stated, accurate enough for now. I will be taking this bullet and another powder once the barrel slows, looking to improve new loads long range accuracy then. Sorry for high jacking the thread.

Don Dunlap
 
I'm just getting into long range shooting and after talking with many people and taking advice from the older shooters I have chose the .243win to start out with. The younger crowd seemed to lean towards the 6.5 Creedmoor and told me I could not be competitive with anything else. The safety officer at my local range said that was a load of BS and he could most likely out shoot all of them with a .243. I know that it's a lot cheaper to reload and also easy to find the stuff to do it. I'm going to shoot my new rifle (Winchester 70 Coyote Light) tomorrow for the first time and I post up how it goes.
 
I'm just getting into long range shooting and after talking with many people and taking advice from the older shooters I have chose the .243win to start out with. The younger crowd seemed to lean towards the 6.5 Creedmoor and told me I could not be competitive with anything else. The safety officer at my local range said that was a load of BS and he could most likely out shoot all of them with a .243. I know that it's a lot cheaper to reload and also easy to find the stuff to do it. I'm going to shoot my new rifle (Winchester 70 Coyote Light) tomorrow for the first time and I post up how it goes.

The Man behind the Trigger will be the determining factor (IMHO) - I can't see where a "Creedmoor" will provide any advantage over a well shot 243 Win. (My 2 cents)
Good Luck & Good Shooting !!
 
The Man behind the Trigger will be the determining factor (IMHO) - I can't see where a "Creedmoor" will provide any advantage over a well shot 243 Win. (My 2 cents)
Good Luck & Good Shooting !!
That's kinda the impression I was getting from the old timers that was willing to help me choose.
 

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