IMR 8208 load data? (not IMR 8208 XBR)

[Virginian]

Would anyone know where I might find some load data for IMR 8208 load data? (not IMR 8208 XBR) They have different burn rates and IMR say they have no archives for this powder.

Eric

 

[hogpatrol]

Eric, Is this for your 6BR or all calibers? Hog

 

[Virginian]

Eric, Is this for your 6BR or all calibers? Hog

Hog,

No a fellow on VHA has been using IMR 8208 XBR for his .264 LBC and ran into a fellow that has a keg of IMR 8208. There's literally no data on the net about this older powder. I was just trying to help the guy.

Eric

 

[stool]

define a "keg of IMR 8208"
an 8lb jug ? 30-50 KEG ??
any date or lot number ?
the new imr 8208 xbr was suppose to be the same BUT was not...as i recall it is slower.

even the various lots if milsurplus and pull down have different speeds.

generic guess, start with imr/xbr STARTING LOADS

 

[littlebuddybr]

I also would like to know the answer to this question. I have a few jugs and was using it
ppc's. Would like to use it in other caliber's. I asked around about it and didn't get any info.

 

[expiper]

Eric,,the old pull down 8208 is very similar to H-322,,,it will work where 322 can be used,,,,drop the charge wt, down a lil' and try one,,,then work your way up to max,,,,that is the way you have to do it in a PPC/BR...there has never been any load data available,,,it was used in 223 machine gun ammo so you know it is like 322/335/etc...sorry if others have hi-jacked your thread into a debate over what label was on the jugs !!,,,.Roger

 

[wapiti25]

The old not made in Scotland or Australia H322 was the 223 IMR 8208 sold as H322 but there were different lots. Some lots were faster than others. Thunderbird powder co. sold a lot of the old surplus powder, AKA "T-32" and other names.

 

[stool]

i do not think that is correct....
selling 8208 as x322 got hodgdon upset and the seller was forced to change the name,,,,to t32 i believe,,,,,

The old not made in Scotland or Australia H322 was the 223 IMR 8208 sold as H322 but there were different lots. Some lots were faster than others. Thunderbird powder co. sold a lot of the old surplus powder, AKA "T-32" and other names.

 

[hogpatrol]

i do not think that is correct....
selling 8208 as x322 got hodgdon upset and the seller was forced to change the name,,,,to t32 i believe,,,,,

The old not made in Scotland or Australia H322 was the 223 IMR 8208 sold as H322 but there were different lots. Some lots were faster than others. Thunderbird powder co. sold a lot of the old surplus powder, AKA "T-32" and other names.

Citation for that information? Couldn't find anything to verify it.

 

[stool]

i have 5 different lots of 8208 all the way back to thunderbird days...
in my discussions with old time shooters, i recall a naming issue that got hodgdon involved.
it was the use of 322 as part of a name....no link to hodgdon selling the same product just the mis-use of their product name.

did you find any info to refute ??

 

[littlebuddybr]

i do not think that is correct....
selling 8208 as x322 got hodgdon upset and the seller was forced to change the name,,,,to t32 i believe,,,,,

I remember reading about this a long time ago. Not exactly sure where I read it, maybe in P.S. magazine. Also remember some old timers talking about this.

 

[stool]

ARE YOU AGREEING WITH ME OR NOT..cannot tell as you copied me and said no, but said the same as me ??
help

i do not think that is correct....
selling 8208 as x322 got hodgdon upset and the seller was forced to change the name,,,,to t32 i believe,,,,,

I remember reading about this a long time ago. Not exactly sure where I read it, maybe in P.S. magazine. Also remember some old timers talking about this.

 

[littlebuddybr]

I am agreeing with you. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

 

[HFV]

Itwas sold as H-322 GI Surplus... have jugs to prove. Thunderbird some t-32 and some 8208. On different occasions, I have loaded 6 cartridges,, 3 w/8208 and 3 w/t-32.. Have shot them separate in 2 nice one hole groups on diffeent targets. Then I took the 6 and mixed them up and shot the 6 in small .2's and hi 1's... 'The GI would shoot pretty much the same but not same place @ 200 yds. I like all of those powders and also the Scot 322. I also have 1 pounders,, H 322 , made in Scotland. This powder looks and shoots well also. I wouldn't trade lb for lb w/VV 133.

i do not think that is correct....
selling 8208 as x322 got hodgdon upset and the seller was forced to change the name,,,,to t32 i believe,,,,,

The old not made in Scotland or Australia H322 was the 223 IMR 8208 sold as H322 but there were different lots. Some lots were faster than others. Thunderbird powder co. sold a lot of the old surplus powder, AKA "T-32" and other names.

 

[searcher]

A few years back, I had purchased a bunch of jugs of "IMR 8208" from Bruno Shooters Supply. It came in black 8-lb. jugs with Large while label on the front with plain black lettering that said nothing more than "IMR208" Lester advised me it was military pulldown powder and performed similar to H322, which it did. It did shoot well and in several guns, shot far better than anything else I ran through them. I failed to ask Lester whether this stuff was originally distributed by IMR/Hodgedon. About a year ago, while wondering how it might be suitable in other than my PPC and .223's, I called Hodgedon. A "knowledgeable sounding" guy got on the phone and advised me that the stuff being sold as "IMR 8208" WAS NOT made by (or distributed) either IMR or Hodgedon and then strongly cautioned (borderline criticize) all who whould sell, own or use it.

Since then I have tried the powder in many calibers that are suitable for a "H-322 type" powder and have lots of uses for it. Pretty temp stable. Most recently, I found that I can get enough of it in a 30BR case to give me the velocities (and outstanding accuracy) that had eluded me. Great stuff.

The problem is - the 8208 I have may be only one of MANY different lots of COMPLETELY DIFFERENT POWDERS that were bought as surplus and repackaged as 8208. It is not the same as getting another lot of H322 and buyers should be cautious is working up initial loads That is aside from not knowing just how old the powder is, how it was stored, whether it had been blended, etc.