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If you were building a new house........

Rick300

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And wanted a built-in safe - how would you go about doing that?
One idea I'm kicking around is to have a small room lined with sheet steel under the sheetrock and then install a safe door. One thing I'm worried about though is humidity. I haven't looked into it yet, but I would think an electric dehumidifier would work.
Any ideas would be appreciated!
 
Most homes in my area have a front porch. The print for mine called for a 6 ft. by 20 ft. area with concrete walls to be filled with dirt and capped with cement. We changed the plan to include a cement floor and a door. I now have a storage room with concrete on all sides. We enter directly from the family room.
 
Concrete walls, ceiling, floor, and a safe door or fireresistant steel door. HVAC and electrical, dehumidifier if needed.
We do lots of fireproof vault and safe rooms....... got a few on my outdated 15yr-old website but if you want actual current info call me at 360 904 six nine 4 one.

It's basically a no-brainer on a new home altho we do a lot of retrofits also. Any concrete guy in your area can do the work
 
We do lots of fireproof vault and safe rooms....... got a few on my outdated 15yr-old website but if you want actual current info call me at 360 904 six nine 4 one.

It's basically a no-brainer on a new home altho we do a lot of retrofits also. Any concrete guy in your area can do the work
OK, I suppose the site address would help.

Www.sierraconcretefoundations.com but just search Sierra Concrete Yacolt WA
 
also check local codes , you would not believe how much trouble a steel carport has co$t me and I might have to remove it
 
I went through the same thing 3 years ago. I had a room formed off under the frt porch. It really wasn't
too bad. Concrete above and extra re-bar in the walls, elevated floor to keep water out IF the fire department ever had to come out. Sturdy Safe will build an In swing door to your specs. pretty cheap.
outlets inside for a dehumidifier if your in a humid area. I sold my stand alone safes.
 
Plan it right in the concrete, add your own door = BIG SAFE, wine cellar....You will need a small fan & dehumidifier.. I'm in new england..My tools stay nice with that set up in my utility reloading room...Enjoy..Mike in ct
 
Moondog's "Safe-Room" is absolutely bad ass. He is being modest.

Only advice I could give it pick (and preferably purchase) the safe door first. That way they build the doorway to fit it, not the other way around.
 
OK, this just worked for me but... http://sierraconcretefoundations.com/ ......

It's an embarrassing site anyway, I threw it together to answer some waterproofing questions and terminology issues and lost my Admin status 10yrs ago cuz the IT guy's company got to big to mess with guys like me. I got shuffled off to some other guy and just lost all interest so it's wikkid outdated and kludgy and hasn't got much on it but SOME pics of safes and vaults and doors in the gallery....

We actually do quite a few underground shooting ranges, 30-40-50ft hideout rooms and vaults..... pretty much NONE of them permitted nor in any database or county records. (Which the 9 local jurisdictions understand and don't push the issue...) Some of them so well camouflaged that if the owner dies the safe won't be found for a thousand years...if ever. Even if it's part of the home, for instance mine in my current home is right in the home itself, above ground and abutting my mudroom/kitchen wall. A didn't delineate it on my building plans, it came through permitting as a blank area in my blueprints and all the inspectors just ignored it.

BUT.... I ask permission before ever putting images on my website and 90% of the people say NO PICTURES!! Even for private shooting ranges and bench setups...The pics I do have are pretty much all my own stuff.

Anyways... I just search Sierra Concrete to get there, maybe once a year.....
 
Price a good safe door and you might just scratch that idea... been here done it. Ended up doing a hidden reloading/gun room with safes in it.

Dreaming big takes lots of $$$
 
Stupid IT guys and stupid website...... I just went there to find the pix don't blow up any more..... ohh well
 
I did one in my narrow utility room 35 years ago. It was a narrow room for the Furnace and water heater. But was also used for storage. I just framed in a door and sheet rocked the outside walls. Inside I lined wit 11 ga steel cut to size. These were just lag bolted into the exposed studs. The door was a rollup security door. And that was covered by a regular interior door. This wasn’t meant to be fire proof or impenetrable, just highly discouraging.

Then I built a large rack for the long guns and hung the pistol collection on hooks. Humidity was never a huge problem due to the warmth from the furnace .
 
Not as concerned with crooks as I am fire and water. The bad guys can get through anything
given enough time. Plus, most aren't the quickest turtles in the pond. They'll put a pipe on the handle,
hit the door with a sledge.
 
A friend of mine had a room in a house that was built on a slab, that had solid grouted and reinforced concrete block walls, with a poured concrete ceiling. You can buy gun vault doors with frames. Above grade, in a house that is heated and air conditioned, assuming the walls have had some kind of moisture barrier applied to all interior concrete surfaces, I do not think that humidity should be a problem, just make sure that you make provision to keep the room well above the dew point, even when the heating system for the rest of the house may be turned off.
 
Hokay..... I'ma' go out on a limb here with some stuff. Going to throw some random brain-fodder out. Some things to consider maybe?

I've actually lived with underground vaults in my home for 25 yrs as well as having friends with them and building more than 20 others ranging from 8X8 to 20'X60' and several with shooting lanes extending further underground.... and some with living quarters for surviving Armapocalyptigeddon with 2yr nuclear winter.

Some a' ya's gonna' hafta' remember THESE ARE MY OPINIONS!!! These are things I've actually experienced. They may be completely irrelevant to others....and

I'm not arguing with anybody.

GUN vaults.....
-#1, "waterproofing" the walls does little or nothing to prevent rust. Nor does heat. In My World.....AlWorld...... I want the "relative humidity" to be kept under 35%. Cuz it works.

Note the word "relative."

And the room's gonna' breathe. The same way water gets into your Obamafuel while it's in the gas tank, water will breathe into your vault. I recently burnt up my twohunner'dollar dehumidifier unit and am currently running a new one, a new brand, into the bucket on the unit because I was without for 3wks....and I'm a curious guy....... I've pulled 3 QUARTS of water in a couple days..... Once it stabilizes I'll hook up the hose and stuff it out thru the hole into my footing perimeter drain system...... IMO it's imperative the room have an electric dehumidifier unit. One with a permanent drain.

#2, Poured concrete or block? Once you've established just WHAT your goals are (gun storage? Ammo/powder? Hideout shelter? Food/valuables? etc etc) you will decide on a door. One thing you'll consider is width of this door. Doors weigh anything from a couple hunnerd pounds to tons. Mine, in my home weighs 1700lb. An acquaintance of mine bought a salvage bank door for cheap, basically hauling, and it was heavy..... REAL heavy. We've moved, hung and adjusted a lot of doors and believe me a 1000lb door is no joke. My point concerns the wall itself and how the door is fastened at the hinge side. And just how much pressure is on that upper hinge when the door swings open. In simple terms, I wouldn't hang my own door into a typical homeowner-filled CMU wall. Nor even a poured cell, grout-filled w/pre-mix CMU wall unless the header was side-reinforced.... just sayin'

#3, Air management. HERE'S where the money goes. Especially if you consider the room to be a "Safe Room" for the helpless ones when the boogeyman cometh. I say, "forget the boogeyman and make a gun-storage room." Unless you're rich. Bottom line, for gun storage YOU DON'T WANT AIR INGRESS!!!!! We just did a vault in a "Homes For Heroes" project and I was PISSED! The designer (backed by architect/engineer/etc etc, basically every JAFO on site) drew it up with the home HVAC system plumbed into the room. Basically wrecked the room..... heat and AIR are required for sustained combustion and damage. seal out the air and fire becomes a non-issue.....

But I digress, lest this become a funding diatribe ;)

Point is, it is my considered opinion that for GUN STORAGE and including paper valuables (records/recpts/certificates) and photo/digital you want air ingress kept at minimum. I pour my wiring conduits in, pour my door-frame and drill out any drainage holes. AND..... because I'm weird, I personally drill some extra holes leading into a box of screen with a piece of scrap pipe running out. And plug the holes.... so if the house is burning down and I'm IN THE ROOM, or if the zombies come and WE DO hide in the room, I can pull the plugs and breathe (suck air) thru these tubes but without compromising the integrity of the room.

#4, drainage..... drainage drainage drainage. And protection from flooding. The room MUST be isolated from water table, flood table, storm water etc and never believe that "water-proofing" will stop water. Shucks, (from actual experience) if you DO SUCCEED with your boat it may well pop right out of the ground like a coffin some day....... just make sure the floor of the vault is ABOVE any water by surrounding the footers with free-draining material/pipes etc. PERIOD!!

Whewww, sorry.... I get carried away.

I'll stop now but offer these points of thought/discussion;

GUN vaults with AMMUNITION STORAGE..... self-contained oxidizers, HEAT is the problem...

HIDEOUT rooms or "Safe Rooms"....... Time frame?? Air?? Air-tight gun storage inside??

FOOD/FAMILY HEIRLOOM storage......dry-dry-dry. My family dries and keeps wedding/bridal flowers hanging in the rafters....

LONG TERM underground shelters..... for instance toilet facilities and gravity-flow water or hand pump (seriously)
 

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