IDOD/AutoDOD - Neck Turning Marvel?

[mikecr]

My point is that the current hand held equipment is satisfactory for top tier Benchrest applications.

What about all the other applications?

 

[orkan]

Hey @mikecrP.S. I want to publicly say that even though I own and use a Primal Rights CPS, I was unaware of @orkan, Greg's, other contributions to the sport and his extensive YouTube series. Perhaps, I misread his intent. I was in the airport at Las Vegas at the time waiting to get home. I read his post as if he was looking down on people without extensive or any machining or metallurgy experience like me and making it sound like people like me shouldn't purchase tools like the AutoDOD because we can't possibly understand them. I've watched a few of his videos now and as a result I believe I must have misread his intention and for that, I apologize to Greg for my post in reaction to his.

Hope y'all all had a good Thanksgiving!

Hank

Thank you, and I appreciate that. Quite the contrary, I think everyone that neck turns should do it on an AutoDOD.

Setting up and using an AutoDOD is easy. ...yet it's funny how hard everything in life is for some people. Weird how all those same people that refuse to take the time to properly understand things love acting in bad faith all the time. They get to be edgy and cool. There's no purity in anything they touch.

No one wants to say the quiet part out loud, but I'm happy to. People could be better if they wanted to be... but they don't want to be. They'd rather be wrong as a group, than right by themselves.
Just like someone that would pull a deleted post out of their email and post it so they could be an internet cool guy. I bet they felt like Neo and the end of matrix 1 huh? lol Hackerman... lol

Especially from someone so big in the community/industry.

I think you have me confused with someone else. I'm not big. I'm no one. Whatever processes I've pioneered, equipment I've made, or ideas I've shared came from God. They were gifts. As were the experiences I am allowed to have which necessitated them. I take credit for nothing. I am nothing in comparison. I don't care how many views I get, subscribers I have, or likes I get. That's why none of this garbage on the internet matters. It isn't like anyone has ever wanted to hear something they disagreed with, right or wrong. Since the beginning of time the ignorant majority has attacked everything they don't understand. It's always been that way, it's that way now, and it will continue to be that way with greater frequency and intensity. Every time I've been led to a discovery that offered significant improvement, the majority attacked it and me, because it wasn't what was known or being done already. It's as predictable as the sunrise. Everyone wants to keep doing everything that is already known, and then expect improvement? Some kind of idiotic insanity. Then when they do finally adopt the better thing, they all act like it was their idea all along. lol

It's those tiny fractions of the population that recognize truth when they see it that are my focus, and has been for the last 5 years or so. The progress I've seen shooters make in that time period has been nothing short of miraculous. They are very few, but they are all that matters.

If you think "getting along" with most people is the key to fulfillment, you're dead wrong. I'd rather get dragged 50mph across the prairie through the cactus than agree with people that are wrong. I'll happily die on that hill.

Yet here I am, blessed as can be, happy as a bug in a rug having the days of my life, one after the next. I'll keep being nothing so that the important stuff can shine bright. So the detractors can keep trying to hurt my feelings if they like... I'll be right here forgetting the nasty people exist. lol. Most days I don't even acknowledge them at all. This was a unique thing where I saw a good product getting trashed by those same bad actors and felt the pull to speak up on it's behalf... as I know all too well that no one is willing to do that, basically ever, when the mob starts doing mob things. Not that Bryan asked for my support or even wants it... but it was the right thing to do.

Shot a massive muley yesterday morning after 11 days of hard hunting sunup to sundown with untold miles on my boots. Afterwards had a great feast with people that I love. There was no bickering. Everyone was genuine, thoughtful, and thankful. I wish more of you could have that, even once. It might cause you to be better people. Not to worry, as none of you will see my name come across your screen for a good long while again.

 

[jimmymac]

What about all the other applications?

That’s not a concern for me but I’ll venture a guess. Seems to me that if it’s good enough for Benchrest then it should be fine for any application that requires less precision and accuracy. YMMV

 

[Ccrider]

The question that has not been answered is why not turn before resizing? Let’s take the 30br. Would turning the Lapua 6br case to .010 or so (.330 neck) with the Autodod before expanding to .30 cal. Offer superior or more consistent results?

 

[AlNyhus]

The question that has not been answered is why not turn before resizing? Let’s take the 30br. Would turning the Lapua 6br case to .010 or so (.330 neck) with the Autodod before expanding to .30 cal. Offer superior or more consistent results?

Ok...you've turned the 6 neck. Now you expand it to .30.

How do you address what's happened at the bottom of the new.30 neck w/o herking up the part of the neck you've already turned?

 

[Sandstorm]

Al, are you talking about that donut that you just created necking it up..?

 

[AlNyhus]

Al, are you talking about that donut that you just created necking it up..?

Yep

 

[Ccrider]

Ok...you've turned the 6 neck. Now you expand it to .30.

How do you address what's happened at the bottom of the new.30 neck w/o herking up the part of the neck you've already turned?

Can you turn into the shoulder far enough to address this?

 

[AlNyhus]

Can you turn into the shoulder far enough to address this?

Yep....just push the 6BR shoulder back a bit farther than the 'lump' length will be and turn to there. Neck up and blow the shoulder forward so it fits the chamber perfectly.

Having made them almost every concievable way, that method is a real long haul to make excellent 30BR cases.

 

[Ccrider]

Yep....just push the 6BR shoulder back a bit farther than the 'lump' length will be and turn to there. Neck up and blow the shoulder forward so it fits the chamber perfectly.

Having made them almost every concievable way, that's a real long haul to make excellent 30BR

Cool beans! Thanks for your reply and the info you share. It’s always helpful.

 

[Ccrider]

@orkan, for me, you give new meaning to the word “sanctimonious.”

Believe it or not, there are those of us that actually consider buying nice toys like the Autodod and use the reviews from trusted members on this site to help determine if the juice is worth the squeeze.

The original poster’s post, the manufacturer’s response, along with your post and many others, all of which were fair and well reasoned, offer valuable info regarding hands on experiences with the machine. That is actually why I reposted your response. Despite your attitude, the substantive part of your post addressing your actual experience with the Autodod has value within the context of this discussion.

Truth is, if I remember correctly, it was Jackie that addressed these same issues over a year ago. I seem to remember reading his post addressing most of this a while back when I was looking at the Idod. I am surprised that you did not chime in then. Of course, you would be hard pressed to include him in the group of ill-willed slow learners that you so disdain.

 

[jackieschmidt]

While we have shooters spending thousands of dollars on the latest gadgets attempting to achieve tolerances that, in truth, can only be distinguished under laboratory conditions, there are shooters like Bart Sauter who win National Championships and set records with no neck turn chambers.

This extreme accuracy game is still about barrels, bullets and tuning. You get that right and read conditions. Most all the other stuff is window dressing.

I don’t turn necks by hand. I single point them on an Engine Lathe, the way any Machinist with access to a Lathe would.

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[Jonnyofalltrades]

Hey Jackie, great video. I'm just wondering, is the case head spinning against that shell holder in the tailstock? Or is there some rotating element in there that I'm not seeing

 

[Gunmack]

I shoot F-Open. In my local community my results are very respectable. I own an AUTODOD. Prior to that I used a 21st Century powered lathe for turning necks. Tolerances in the realm of .0005” have always seemed very well beyond anything that I can see on target. I’m not even confident that I can accurately measure beyond a couple ten thousandths of an inch. The 21st Century lathe delivered an acceptable result but required a significant amount of time and effort. The AUTODOD has a bit of a learning curve but I quickly got to the point where I could match or exceed the results on the 21st Century lathe in a single evening. It also has the advantage, in my experience, of truing the interior surfaces of my necks which I had not previously realized. Turning necks on brass is no longer even an issue, it’s automatic and very precise. The AUTODOD is a superior machine. That is my experience and I recommend you try it for yourself.

 

[ebb]

I turn with a K&M turner I got 20 years ago and am very satisfied with the results. I think that this will soon be irrelevant and neck turning should and will be a thing of the past. It is my understanding that neck turning started because of poor brass that needed to be made uniform in neck thickness to preform properly. Like Jackie says Gene Beggs and Bart Sauter have proven that with todays superior brass it is not mandatory to neck turn to get world class results. Now that we have other makers of match quality brass, and they are adding many chamberings that Lapua, Norma and RWS would not even consider making brass for the writing is on the wall so to speak. As most of us older guys retire or pass on the newer group will figure it out that it is not necessary and be gone soon enough. The real problem with our sport is most of what we believe is rumor or superstition that we learned from the guys at the LGS counter. We need some funded research to prove or disprove many of the things we believe to be true. I hear all the time talk of inherently accurate cartridges. I think its just some have issues that when tended to can shoot just as good as any, but I understand not wanting to buck the wind. I would have never believed that Turner and Bambam could get a 30/30 to shoot as well as they have. we need to build rifles with proven facts not myths from the past.

 

[AlNyhus]

I turn with a K&M turner I got 20 years ago and am very satisfied with the results. I think that this will soon be irrelevant and neck turning should and will be a thing of the past. It is my understanding that neck turning started because of poor brass that needed to be made uniform in neck thickness to preform properly. Like Jackie says Gene Beggs and Bart Sauter have proven that with todays superior brass it is not mandatory to neck turn to get world class results.

ebb: the only caveat I'd add is you still need to verify either the case neck thickness or the neck diameter of a loaded round.

Good shootin' and a good post. -Al

 

[jackieschmidt]

Hey Jackie, great video. I'm just wondering, is the case head spinning against that shell holder in the tailstock? Or is there some rotating element in there that I'm not seeing

It just spins in the shell holder. There is enough clearance so it does not present a problem.

 

[ngb1787]

I turn with a K&M turner I got 20 years ago and am very satisfied with the results. I think that this will soon be irrelevant and neck turning should and will be a thing of the past. It is my understanding that neck turning started because of poor brass that needed to be made uniform in neck thickness to preform properly. Like Jackie says Gene Beggs and Bart Sauter have proven that with todays superior brass it is not mandatory to neck turn to get world class results. Now that we have other makers of match quality brass, and they are adding many chamberings that Lapua, Norma and RWS would not even consider making brass for the writing is on the wall so to speak. As most of us older guys retire or pass on the newer group will figure it out that it is not necessary and be gone soon enough. The real problem with our sport is most of what we believe is rumor or superstition that we learned from the guys at the LGS counter. We need some funded research to prove or disprove many of the things we believe to be true. I hear all the time talk of inherently accurate cartridges. I think its just some have issues that when tended to can shoot just as good as any, but I understand not wanting to buck the wind. I would have never believed that Turner and Bambam could get a 30/30 to shoot as well as they have. we need to build rifles with proven facts not myths from the past.

Ur not wrong,

 

[Jonnyofalltrades]

It just spins in the shell holder. There is enough clearance so it does not present a problem.

So the tight fit on the mandrel is what drives the cut, and not pressure between tailstock and headstock? Once again proving that there is no better all-around tool than a metal lathe.

 

[Jay Harrison]

Thank you, and I appreciate that. Quite the contrary, I think everyone that neck turns should do it on an AutoDOD.

Setting up and using an AutoDOD is easy. ...yet it's funny how hard everything in life is for some people. Weird how all those same people that refuse to take the time to properly understand things love acting in bad faith all the time. They get to be edgy and cool. There's no purity in anything they touch.

No one wants to say the quiet part out loud, but I'm happy to. People could be better if they wanted to be... but they don't want to be. They'd rather be wrong as a group, than right by themselves.
Just like someone that would pull a deleted post out of their email and post it so they could be an internet cool guy. I bet they felt like Neo and the end of matrix 1 huh? lol Hackerman... lol


I think you have me confused with someone else. I'm not big. I'm no one. Whatever processes I've pioneered, equipment I've made, or ideas I've shared came from God. They were gifts. As were the experiences I am allowed to have which necessitated them. I take credit for nothing. I am nothing in comparison. I don't care how many views I get, subscribers I have, or likes I get. That's why none of this garbage on the internet matters. It isn't like anyone has ever wanted to hear something they disagreed with, right or wrong. Since the beginning of time the ignorant majority has attacked everything they don't understand. It's always been that way, it's that way now, and it will continue to be that way with greater frequency and intensity. Every time I've been led to a discovery that offered significant improvement, the majority attacked it and me, because it wasn't what was known or being done already. It's as predictable as the sunrise. Everyone wants to keep doing everything that is already known, and then expect improvement? Some kind of idiotic insanity. Then when they do finally adopt the better thing, they all act like it was their idea all along. lol

It's those tiny fractions of the population that recognize truth when they see it that are my focus, and has been for the last 5 years or so. The progress I've seen shooters make in that time period has been nothing short of miraculous. They are very few, but they are all that matters.

If you think "getting along" with most people is the key to fulfillment, you're dead wrong. I'd rather get dragged 50mph across the prairie through the cactus than agree with people that are wrong. I'll happily die on that hill.

Yet here I am, blessed as can be, happy as a bug in a rug having the days of my life, one after the next. I'll keep being nothing so that the important stuff can shine bright. So the detractors can keep trying to hurt my feelings if they like... I'll be right here forgetting the nasty people exist. lol. Most days I don't even acknowledge them at all. This was a unique thing where I saw a good product getting trashed by those same bad actors and felt the pull to speak up on it's behalf... as I know all too well that no one is willing to do that, basically ever, when the mob starts doing mob things. Not that Bryan asked for my support or even wants it... but it was the right thing to do.

Shot a massive muley yesterday morning after 11 days of hard hunting sunup to sundown with untold miles on my boots. Afterwards had a great feast with people that I love. There was no bickering. Everyone was genuine, thoughtful, and thankful. I wish more of you could have that, even once. It might cause you to be better people. Not to worry, as none of you will see my name come across your screen for a good long while again.

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I don't have you confused with anyone. I have spent money with you. I have spoken with you on the phone a few times. I was a member until I could no longer afford it. Your CPS is everywhere. You have tons of videos on YouTube. So yes, you are a big name in the shooting community. Like everyone else on here I just offered my view. Deleting the body and not the entire post just struck me as negative and that what I said. Your defensiveness and response to my simple comment/observation is overblown and condescending.