I'd like to see a new F class Category. "F-TAC"

[Dgd6mm]

This kinda sounds like the discussion on open borders.
My first PRS rifle was a non braked 6mm Competition Match, my second was a non braked. 308. All my PRS rifles and pdog rifles which most do double duty have brakes. Radials and self timing the ALL are removed very quickly and easily and reinstalled. No to brakes in any f class sanctioned match. If that's the only reason that's keeping shooters from shooting......well I find it hard to believe!

 

[XTR]

I once did a 600 yd club match that let 2 guys with brakes on their RPRs shoot. I was next to them. Never again. Between shooting and scoring, getting concussed 120+ rounds I was dazed for hours after that match. Nope, completely changed my perspective on brakes. Try it sometime.

 

[lawman29]

 

[Laurie]

I once did a 600 yd club match that let 2 guys with brakes on their RPRs shoot. I was next to them. Never again. Between shooting and scoring, getting concussed 120+ rounds I was dazed for hours after that match. Nope, completely changed my perspective on brakes. Try it sometime.

As I said in an earlier post, if the match director goes down the F-tactical/military whatever route, he or she must separate people in this class either by relay allocation or space from other sub-classes. It's not rocket science and works well. If that's not possible within match/range constraints, fair enough that nobody shoots with a brake.

Remember that (unbraked) rifles/cartridges that are anti-social can still fall within the F-Class rules. Shooting close to some short-barrel sporting rifles chambered for the traditional belted magnums can be very unpleasant, but such rifles and their cartridges are F-legal.

 

[drop_point]

He isn't missing the point

I don't want to be shooting next to someone at an FClass Match with a brake. Nope!

AND...youre missing the point...Brakes ARE used to reduce recoil SO THAT in PRS when you shoot off a barricade then the recoil from the rifle moves your reticle only a mil or so (or less). So that you can then spot your shots. The whole point is recoil reduction. That's why everyone moved to the 6mm. If it wasn't for recoil, everyone in PRS would be shooting 7mms so that they could see the splash of their misses...as some use a 6.5 so they can see splash.

And the pain of removing a muzzle brake.....? These so called "PRS" competitors that don't want to spin off their muzzle brake before an FClass Match? I can remove my A419 Hellfire Match to throw it in some CLR by tapping & spinning it in about 60 seconds....including pouring the CLR.

Are you trying to say these so called "PRS" competitors don't clean their brakes? :/

And as for having to re-zero? PRS matches generally have a zero period before a match. And PRS scopes generally are simple to rezero.

When I shoot my PRS rifle with a muzzle brake, it knocks everything around me down and away....I miss shots with my Garmin Xero because it gets blown down.

No way I want to shoot next to someone with a brake like mine at an FClass Match.

As for an FClass Tactical division, I'd take my non-FClass gun WITHOUT A BRAKE, in respect for the other shooters, and compete here and there in that division.

When I started in FClass, thats what I used anyhow...

It’s is for self-spotting. It’s not that recoil bothers anybody. Close to mid-range shots require it.

Again, nobody said you had to shoot next to somebody with a brake if such a division is created.

There are solutions.

 

[CA_Shooter]

It’s is for self-spotting. It’s not that recoil bothers anybody. Close to mid-range shots require it.

Again, nobody said you had to shoot next to somebody with a brake if such a division is created.

There are solutions.

I'm curious why you keep disconnecting spotting your splash and recoil? The root cause of NOT being able to see your splash (spotting shots and misses) is recoil. Period.

And mathematically, somebody is going to HAVE to shoot next to someone shooting a muzzle brake or everyone is going to spend more time at the match because a few shooters don't want to take the seconds to spin off their brake.

I really don't know why it's so important to shoot your rifle with a brake at an FClass Match.

 

[drop_point]

I'm curious why you keep disconnecting spotting your splash and recoil? The root cause of NOT being able to see your splash (spotting shots and misses) is recoil. Period.

And mathematically, somebody is going to HAVE to shoot next to someone shooting a muzzle brake or everyone is going to spend more time at the match because a few shooters don't want to take the seconds to spin off their brake.

I really don't know why it's so important to shoot your rifle with a brake at an FClass Match.

I shoot F-T/R. The range I shoot at has a class for brakes rifles. It’s not a problem for anybody.

I am disconnect recoil and spotting splash because poster disingenuously stated that people needed a brake because they were somehow unable to tolerate recoil.

I’ve already explained how it always as easy as “spinning a brake off”.

 

[effendude]

I ran the first F-Class league in MN for about 16 years. 100's of new shooters learned to shoot at distance over that period of time. This was long before PRS was on the scene. Occasionally I'd get a new shooter who would show up with a braked rifle, usually in a magnum hunting caliber. I would move them to the end of the firing line so they wouldn't disturb the other shooters and warn them if the showed up again with the brake without telling me, I'd take a couple pipe wrenches and remove the brake while they were on the line. That usually got their attention LOL. Also 22 shots out of a magnum in 20 minutes is a great teaching tool too.

We as a group tried really hard to encourage new shooters to try the sport. We would allow quite a few things that wouldn't make the cut at a match. We would inform the shooters of such issues long before they shot an approved or registered match. Encouraging the "bring what you have" mentality worked for years.

Most entertaining were the guys who fancied themselves a snipers, complete with BDU's, drag bags and a M40 clone Remington 700. They shot one night and usually never came back.

Take the brake of the rifle, or don't shoot F-Class.

Scott

 

[rardoin]

If I showed up to a PRS match with a 6.6-.284 running a 135gr bullet at 3400fps, would the MD react by saying "We want to welcome new shooters so we will let you shoot this illegal gun. Next time keep the velocity under 3200fps per our rules"? Probably not. Why should an F-class competitor suffer potential hearing loss by getting hammered by a braked rifle next to him/her? If a new shooter shows up that unprepared as to not have read the rules in advance, that is on them.

 

[ballisticdaddy]

If I showed up to a PRS match with a 6.6-.284 running a 135gr bullet at 3400fps, would the MD react by saying "We want to welcome new shooters so we will let you shoot this illegal gun. Next time keep the velocity under 3200fps per our rules"? Probably not. Why should an F-class competitor suffer potential hearing loss by getting hammered by a braked rifle next to him/her? If a new shooter shows up that unprepared as to not have read the rules in advance, that is on them.

The perception is that a rifle equipped with a brake is so much louder than one with a plain target crown but the facts might surprise quite a few of you. Take a look at the charts below comparing the average sound level, in decibels, between no muzzle device and 18 popular muzzle brakes. Let's be honest, if this was really about sound levels / hearing loss then why not approve suppressors?

Sound level from side of rifle:


Sound level from behind rifle:

Link to entire article:

Muzzle Brakes: Sound Test

I thought about these muzzle brake tests for over a year before I started this field test. We all kn...

precisionrifleblog.com

 

[jxb]

I've never had issue with the sound, it's the concussion. It's bad enough at a bench when you're next to one, I can't imagine being on the ground if there's dust and other debris being blown up too.

 

[Jon Leary]

If you ever shot next to a brake you would know why they are not allowed. Every shot is like a slap in the face to the shooters on each side. The sound is directed towards the side also.

 

[CA_Shooter]

The perception is that a rifle equipped with a brake is so much louder than one with a plain target crown but the facts might surprise quite a few of you. Take a look at the charts below comparing the average sound level, in decibels, between no muzzle device and 18 popular muzzle brakes. Let's be honest, if this was really about sound levels / hearing loss then why not approve suppressors?

Sound level from side of rifle:
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Sound level from behind rifle:
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Link to entire article:

Muzzle Brakes: Sound Test

I thought about these muzzle brake tests for over a year before I started this field test. We all kn...

precisionrifleblog.com

You inadvertently made the point everyone is trying to say: the brakes are extremely loud

The article you cited is from 2015, and pretty much every brake used has 4 sets of ports now, like the Fat Bastard from the article.

The Fat Bastard is 162% louder than a bare muzzled barrel, because decibels are logarithmicly calculated. So that's over double the loudness of the bare muzzled barrel.

And the newer brakes also busts wind/force back and to the sides now so the force and loudness is not right back at the shooter. In other words, aimed right at the person that would be shooting next to the shooter with the brake.

Here is the chart which you did not add to your post, which shows the percentage increase in raw loudness:

At this point, the talk about brakes should really be over.

 

[rardoin]

^^^^^ 10dB louder is A LOT louder ^^^^^

 

[Old Navy]

The Fat Bastard is 162% louder than a bare muzzled brake, because decibels are logarithmical calculated. So that's over double the loudness of the bare muzzled barrel.

Right on!

 

[Bc'z]

If you ever shot next to a brake you would know why they are not allowed. Every shot is like a slap in the face to the shooters on each side. The sound is directed towards the side also.

Absolutely!!
I use to shoot a couple braked rifles side port, I could still feel it in my chest an hour later.
The result of a lonely shooter and his braked 338LM.
His 1st shot cracked with my last, 17 other benches mind you. Lmfao
I just gave up after that!!

 

[Warren Dean]

This thread keeps getting more entertaining and I think we have some trolls around....

 

[davidjoe]

^^^^^ 10dB louder is A LOT louder ^^^^^

10 DB added to any number, doubles the sound pressure level of that number. Twice as loud.

But moreover, there is a point where damage to the ear is done that is irreversible. Rifles are there, already. We’ve all had that regrettable moment of taking of the phones too soon thinking everyone is finished.

They work for the same reason they are loud, redirection of pressure to the sides instead of the front. Not picking on them, a 50 BMG couldn’t be used without them, but it’s a good example of why there must be limits.

Directly behind the gun isn’t the worst place to be, it’s kind of like with semi autos, they were not designed to toss hot brass down the shooter’s own shirt.

 

[memilanuk]

10 DB added to any number, doubles the sound pressure level of that number. Twice as loud.

3 DB doubles the actual sound intensity. 10 DB doubles the 'perceived' sound, or 'loudness'.

 

[XTR]

I’ve never had a magnum open gun roll up the corner of my mat. About 3 shots into the string, that was when I figured out I was shooting next to a brake and not just a freakishly loud rifle or that the shooter on my left was set up too far back. Yea, as noted above at the end of the match the concussion left me sort of dazed well after I got home. It was just as bad sitting in the scoring chair.