IBS Target Question

[ridgeway]

How in the world can you keep records with a +/- .039" accuracy?

 

[Stan Taylor]

Ridgeway
I'm going to try and explain it the best that I can when GBA decided to let E- targets come into play they basically will have electronic records per say and we will still have hard target records for comparison but if somebody decides to shoot electronic targets there's nothing wrong with letting them have their own electronic monitoring.

 

[Raythemanroe]

As of today, they're not allowed for or the reasons Jeff posted. Heck I've seen 1000 yard aggregates decided by less than 10 thousandths.


I believe to make them allowed, but not mandatory ($$$$ reasons)"in addition to" would probably be a wise choice to pursue. It would seem to be a win win used the way I'm thinking of. You have an additional shot "counter" in the event of a double tap as Joe mentioned. You have the ability to pursue live (unofficial) scoring. And you have official target paper, and humans measuring to compare the "official" results, which should/could help with technology to make affordable e target's the best they can be....Basically a continuous test of e target accuracy.


Tom

I agree, no scoring except for an aid. Although it should be very helpful for spotters and counting.

Ray

 

[shoot4fun]

No sir I think the intent at Harry Jones is going to be they will hang a hard target on the electronic Target because they have a pit crew and they have to hang the rest of the score targets and they're going to compare the electronic side of measurement 2 The Hard Target measurement and it will be interesting to see how that comes into play we definitely need something to compare with the the E-targets when you go to record on a targets you do not have the tablet available to see your hits you're shooting in the blind just like you would on a hard target.

Having never fired on E-Targets before I can say nothing to their abilities. I defer to IBS Prez Jeff and the IBS directors to make well informed decisions as to when (not if) E-Targets become a part of IBS 600/1,000 Yard matches.
Now, @Stan Taylor if HJ runs the test as you describe it will give us all a pretty well defined parameter as to just how close the E can get to the "Hard". I like that idea for sure. My only thoughts on accuracy between what the E sees and what the "hard" measures is target placement. Hard to explain but (again not knowing) would hard target placement be critical in having both the E & hard measure exactly the same?
Also, I think having a camera view for sighters only is a great way to go. Kind of the same purpose as why we are not allowed to go back to our sighter during the record fire period.

 

[Stan Taylor]

Having never fired on E-Targets before I can say nothing to their abilities. I defer to IBS Prez Jeff and the IBS directors to make well informed decisions as to when (not if) E-Targets become a part of IBS 600/1,000 Yard matches.
Now, @Stan Taylor if HJ runs the test as you describe it will give us all a pretty well defined parameter as to just how close the E can get to the "Hard". I like that idea for sure. My only thoughts on accuracy between what the E sees and what the "hard" measures is target placement. Hard to explain but (again not knowing) would hard target placement be critical in having both the E & hard measure exactly the same?
Also, I think having a camera view for sighters only is a great way to go. Kind of the same purpose as why we are not allowed to go back to our sighter during the record fire period.

It's interesting that you said that because what I think they will shoot clay birds on the bank and go to record Target and however the Hard Target is placed will determine whether or not where to Center the target up so it's truly part of the monitoring system there definitely will be a lot of research.
P.S. in other words I think they're going to try to hang the targets in accordance to the monitoring system to make sure it's in the middle.

 

[Bindi2]

There is two parts to a ET. The E part and the visible aiming part. The E part does not have a X marks the centre it is a small area that can and does move a little during the day. Not an issue because you have adjustable sights. The aiming part is just that you aim shoot then adjust to the info the E gives you. I shoot mostly on sealed sound chamber ETs, I own my own SMT. I have not yet seen a perfect overlay close but not perfect. Correctly setup ETs will show if the range is built square in every way down to movement in the carriers. For score shooting I have no issues on their accuracy, for bench rest, testing then testing some more correcting the issues that you will find will be hard with many knockers remember who put man on the moon.

 

[CaptainMal]

Does this mean those using the E target do NOT see each shot impact?

If so then IBS would not be affected. Then again why bother with E targets if you can't see the results while shooting unless it is just a test of their accuracy?

 

[Stan Taylor]

Does this mean those using the E target do NOT see each shot impact?

If so then IBS would not be affected. Then again why bother with E targets if you can't see the results while shooting unless it is just a test of their accuracy?

This is not F class that were shooting we're shooting for group and scores basically the same way you shoot a hard target you don't get to see what you're doing during the record. That's the only fair way to do it

 

[bcarico]

The day we stop using paper targets will be the day I quit shooting.

 

[Stan Taylor]

The day we stop using paper targets will be the day I quit shooting.

I totally agree with what you said to some degree the IBS does not shoot E-Targets but the GBA is going to shoot E-Targets At one of it's club's this year in which it might be a thing of the future we won't know until we try but I do understand the reasoning within the IBS.
P.S. There is some clubs out here that chose to shoot electronic program and we shouldn't scrutinize against them we should be there to support them this is just a game that we all shoot to support our clubs that's what's important.

 

[bcarico]

I stand by my statement wholeheartedly. If you cant lay the targets side by side for all to see the winners, then you really didn't have a benchrest match.

 

[sdean]

I stand by my statement wholeheartedly. If you cant lay the targets side by side for all to see the winners, then you really didn't have a benchrest match.

I have been shooting Etarget for 3 years now in Fclass for score. It will be years and way more than $1000 target to get to Benchrest group shooting accuracy. All these targets have been tested already. There should be soon a list of NRA certified target systems to only a .250” I believe. At least that is the rule. If it wouldn’t be for 100 degrees pit duty there would be fewer Etargets in use in my opinion. I love them on 100 degree days. There is no paper target proof if you think something is wrong.

 

[bcarico]

That's your opinion and I respect that and that's all I got to say.
P.S. I didn't expect any different kind of supportive answer from you anyway to the long-range Sports for the future.

Buddy we have a blast and everyone is welcomed. We run an average of 55 shooters per match last year with 86 at the very first match of the year last year. I promise you if it would make it easier on the folks running the match l am all for it. But when the margin of victory is smaller than the margin of error from a machine it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see it just flat won’t work for benchrest. If I want a pretend target on a screen to show off my winning group, I’ll play a video game.