I do Not bye the shortage any longer

[DRNewcomb]

I constantly read posts on forums where people brag about finding a shop with some supplies, and buying them all... as long as we (all of us) behave that way, there will be shortages.

No company can meet the demands of piggies like those.

Agreed. The time for stockpiling is when supply is high and prices are low. Now is the time for sharing what you stockpiled 10 years ago. Having said that, if I walked in a store today and saw four pound cans of Varget, I'd probably buy all four. I owe Julius a pound and two of my buddies asked me to buy them a can if I saw any.

 

[wapiti25]

I heard the there is a problem getting powder from Australia as it is shipped by boat. One of the boat co's has gone bankrupt.

 

[dickn52]

I might be pushed into DHS over purchasing ammo, but I can't imagine DHS using it on the populace. I retired from DHS/US Customs and most if not all of the employees I worked with despised the current administration. Not the people mind you, but the policies.

My understanding of the DHS thing is that it's a multi-year delivery order contract. In other words, they say, "Over the next five years we may need X-zillion rounds of the following calibers. We will write the orders when (and if) needed and you have Y days to deliver at a preset price." This is a very common way for government agencies to write contracts. They tend to err on the high side because if they don't order it, there's no loss to the agency. If they need more than the contracted amount, then the contract has to be renegotiated which is a long, expensive process.

In other words, it's much ado about nothing. But it is something for the "tinfoil hat" crowd to get worked up over. Same people who went nuts over the surplus E. German military trucks parked in a salvage yard in S. Mississippi. To them it was a sure sign the commies were about to take over. The owners having found no market for old E. German trucks, last of them has just been scrapped.

I was the range officer for over 625 DHS employees for a couple of years. We ordered exactly as you described it. Taking into account that each officer was REQUIRED to fire over 800 rounds a year in training it worked out to need for almost 500,000 rds a year. That was in the Port of San Francisco ONLY. When you add in the fact that CBP has about 18,500 armed staff members now, there is an awful lot of bullets being fired to keep skills up.

 

[JimT]

I agree , the shortages have made horders of us all

I think it is more accurate to say "we hoarders have made the shortages."

 

[DRNewcomb]

I agree , the shortages have made horders of us all

I think it is more accurate to say "we hoarders have made the shortages."

It's a vicious cycle, related to "The tragedy of the commons." Demand creates the initial shortage. This creates interest and concern, which creates additional demand. More shortages creates a "famine mentality" in which each person is looking out for himself. Opportunists step in trying to make money. Etc, etc. The best policy to deal with it is to prepare for eventual panics by stocking up in advance when demand and prices are low.

 

[ReedG]

I think JimT has hit the nail on the head. I have met the enemy and it is us. Not casting any stones here, but the miniscule order of bullets by HLS is barely a month's work of any mfg. facility. Surely the gov't isn't using 68-gr. Bergers or BIB's, etc. What would the gov't do with .22 LR's or .22 Hornets or 6.5 Creedmoor? Somebody said practice. With what? They didn't buy several million .22s to practice with did they? It's going to get better. The hoarders (and it's hard not to want to be one) are going to get sick of buying stuff they won't use for 10 years, at prices they will probably never be able to recover. My dealer said his price for Varget, Hornady bullets, etc. is exactly the same as it was in October. All the goofy prices are just scalpers and it will wear out in a few more months.

It's America! We have a right to buy as much as we want at a price and sell as much as we can at a price. It will revert to reality when we understand that we really don't need powder bad enough to pay scalper prices. We don't need to buy .22 LR at prices that cost us 25 cents to pull the trigger. And we don't need 9mm ammo bad enough to pay scalper prices. Etc.

It's one thing to keep a rotating stock of consumables and another thing to impulsively buy for the sake of having or worse, scalping. But not for me to judge a person's principles. I am disappointed at the greed and ripping off going on in the shooting fraternity but not really surprised. America has become a fractured society and the "great American experiment" is consuming itself from within.

 

[Gman]

I might be pushed into DHS over purchasing ammo, but I can't imagine DHS using it on the populace. I retired from DHS/US Customs and most if not all of the employees I worked with despised the current administration. Not the people mind you, but the policies.

My understanding of the DHS thing is that it's a multi-year delivery order contract. In other words, they say, "Over the next five years we may need X-zillion rounds of the following calibers. We will write the orders when (and if) needed and you have Y days to deliver at a preset price." This is a very common way for government agencies to write contracts. They tend to err on the high side because if they don't order it, there's no loss to the agency. If they need more than the contracted amount, then the contract has to be renegotiated which is a long, expensive process.

In other words, it's much ado about nothing. But it is something for the "tinfoil hat" crowd to get worked up over. Same people who went nuts over the surplus E. German military trucks parked in a salvage yard in S. Mississippi. To them it was a sure sign the commies were about to take over. The owners having found no market for old E. German trucks, last of them has just been scrapped.

The enemy lies within. I hope that you are prepared for the inevitable coming economic collapse in this nation. No "tinfoil" here, just Truth.

 

[STS]

The problem is alleged to be no jackets. Sierras web site says they have no 224 or 243 jackets for sale; they do have some 30 cals. I don't understand why Berger supplies are dried up, because they own J4 jackets. You would think they would supply their own needs first.

In 30BR I shoot only custom bullets. Randy Robinet says he is taking no orders for those. I spoke to another custom bullet maker and he says he cannot get J4 jackets and is taking no orders. From talking to other shooters, that seems to be the situation everywhere.

Talked to a friend gun shop owner the other day. His distributor told him it may be two years before this situation levels out, but could not account for the reason supplies are short.

So the question is: Why are jackets impossible to get? time for new jacket makers to crank it up.

Pretty much right on regarding the jackets. I have a bunch of .224 bullets that I make for myself and a few BR shooters, and right now I am not in the market to sell any because the jackets can't be replaced at this time. I have it from a good source that there are efforts being made right now by new suppliers in the jacket arena.

 

[DRNewcomb]

The enemy lies within. I hope that you are prepared for the inevitable coming economic collapse in this nation. No "tinfoil" here, just Truth.

Oh. That is a serious concern. If we don't fix a lot of things, starting with our tax code, we could devolve to the state of a 3rd world country. But I prefer to worry about things that are real. Getting worked up because someone sees a Hind D flying around or the Seals are playing their nighttime games again is just as big a waste of time as looking for a deep conspiracy in the fact that everyone is buying up .22LR as fast as it can be made. People who get hot and bothered about fictions they spin up in their heads are delusional and just a wast of my time to listen to.

 

[nosualc]

Never attribute to conspiracy that which can be easily explained by stupidity.

-nosualc

 

[VaniB]

Hoarding is human nature at its stupidist.

Most of you don't compete, and don't use more then a single one pound can of powder all year! So why are you now buying 9 cans of powder, 17 boxes of bullets, and 5,000 primers as soon as you see it? This is NOT a law enforcement or manufacturing problem, it's a problem caused by compulsive people who have the maturity and self control of a 10 year old.

 

[Gman]

You know, I'm about sick of people accusing other people of hoarding.

#1. If someone has the money to buy reloading components, then they have the right to buy as much as they want.

#2. If you weren't smart enough to buy enough powder, bullets, primers, and brass the first time Barry Soetoro got elected, then boo hoo for you.

#3. No, I will NOT sell you any of my 8 lb jugs of Varget, any cases of my CCI 450 primers, tens of thousands of my BIB 108 gr pills or how ever many brown boxes of Lapua 6 BR brass that I have left.

I bought this stuff before the "socialist" won his first term.

No "tinfoil" here, just preparedness.

 

[SEB-USA]

I have met them and they are good people. I grew up less than a 30 minute drive from the business.

I have good luck with powder valley and even though it takes a couple weeks to get anything it is worth the wait.

Powder Valley has handled their business as well as their ethics better than probably anyone through this ordeal. I got my last order within a few days not the near month the were estimating. I want to meet these people someday.

 

[chuckw2]

Well stated Gman. I so the same thing with fishing equipment also.

 

[shortgrass]

Most of you don't compete, and don't use more then a single one pound can of powder all year! [/b]

Maybe you don't,,but pleanty here do!

 

[gambleone]

Ditto!

 

[DRNewcomb]

Most of you don't compete, and don't use more then a single one pound can of powder all year! [/b]

Maybe you don't,,but pleanty here do!

I interpreted that statement as being addressed at a different audience. Not to the readers of this forum.

 

[Valar]

Correct most do no not compete! Exactly , why this shortage makes no sense. Yes GOV. Has effectively helped ARM AMERICANS WHO HELD off. I still do not bye it and it doesn't add up! For a couple months maybe but now in peace time. What if a ground war had broke out? Think about it people! Are the hoarders not hoarding enough? I see only one thing happening gun prices are climbing as are components! Its all Bs in my book! Nuff said!

 

[Rem6br]

I did see 20 one lb cans of varget on the shelf
at my local gun shop yesterday. I should have hoarded it up but my pile is
pretty high right now 8)

 

[Outrider27]

I get monthly sale flyers from several different suppliers. The July Midway flyer came today and there was not any loaded ammunition, primers, powder, brass or bullets listed. Hmmmm.....