Hunting question for the Mid-west guys?
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hogpatrol
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The gov has to deal with the lowest common denominator hunter, the ones that shoot 7mm mags at deer 50 yds. away towards a housing development or interstate highway just outside the safety zone because they didn't want to pass up the biggest six point they ever saw.
Look how flat states like Ohio are.Can you imagine how far a big caliber rifle would travel.Its for the safety of the hunters as well.
XTR
F-TR obssessed shooting junkie
So shooting g-hogs with a warp factor 3 varmint round is ok, but a 30-30 on deer is dangerous. I get it now. It really is the "lowest common denominator" factor, and people who accept it.
Yes actually I can imagine it, in fact I have a ballistics card for mine. If you are shooting a 140 at 3100FPS with a 200 yard zero, and shoot at a deer at 200 yards, and miss, the bullet hits the ground somewhere around 500 yards. Pretty scarry huh.
hunter243sgk said:
Yes actually I can imagine it, in fact I have a ballistics card for mine. If you are shooting a 140 at 3100FPS with a 200 yard zero, and shoot at a deer at 200 yards, and miss, the bullet hits the ground somewhere around 500 yards. Pretty scarry huh.
CaptainMal
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... and then the bullet skips up to land a mile away.
That may not be a reality but it is a perception. Might be more dangerous to hunt in a hilly area where you can shoot far across a valley for miles.
Whole idea has flaws unless you are dealing with a densely-populated urban area. Archery could then be the only viable alternative.
That may not be a reality but it is a perception. Might be more dangerous to hunt in a hilly area where you can shoot far across a valley for miles.
Whole idea has flaws unless you are dealing with a densely-populated urban area. Archery could then be the only viable alternative.
XTR
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I can completely understand limiting firearms in densely populated counties.
One of the fundamentals of hunting, no skyline shots, but I get it, there is no wisdom or intelligence qualifier to hunt.
I guess the reality of ballistics doesn't matter to those who don't understand. That same 140 SGK at 3100FPS in the example above needs to be fired at a point of aim 20 feet above the target to get to 1000 yards.
One of the fundamentals of hunting, no skyline shots, but I get it, there is no wisdom or intelligence qualifier to hunt.
I guess the reality of ballistics doesn't matter to those who don't understand. That same 140 SGK at 3100FPS in the example above needs to be fired at a point of aim 20 feet above the target to get to 1000 yards.
Living here in Ky about 30 minutes from Ohio we get a lot of people from Ohio and Wv that come here and hunt.Most of these people never pick up a gun until a few days before deer season.Some of them are dangerous even in these hills.Also we here of people being shot in Ohio from time to time.You may be smater than to do that does that mean everybody is.I think not.Southern Ohio is has alot of small hills here and there if you are on one of these and shoot how much elevation is that. I would not hunt Ohio if they allowed high powered rifles in deer season.
XTR said:
Been living in Ohio since 1969. The top 1/2 of Ohio is mostly flat, the southern 1/2 is mostly hills. (especially SE Ohio) So I never quite understood the reasoning behind the no rifle rule. Which ever argument you have about bullet travel (flatlands or hills), the other half of the state won't apply.
And you stay out of the woods during deer gun season, especially youth gun season. They'll shoot at anything that moves. They've even closed off the hunting of everything else during deer gun season.
They even closed groundhog hunting during deer gun season.....in December. I don't think the person writing the rules realizes groundhogs hibernate before December. ha ha
Yeah, you go ahead an groundhog hunt all you want in December-Feb.....good luck with that!
And you stay out of the woods during deer gun season, especially youth gun season. They'll shoot at anything that moves. They've even closed off the hunting of everything else during deer gun season.
They even closed groundhog hunting during deer gun season.....in December. I don't think the person writing the rules realizes groundhogs hibernate before December. ha ha
Yeah, you go ahead an groundhog hunt all you want in December-Feb.....good luck with that!
It's a have at it with just about anything you want in Missouri but most of it is close shooting anyway if you hunt the woods. Most of our accidents are during spring turkey season with shotguns. They are usually terrible when they happen and almost one or two a year. Very few rifle and most are self inflicted from crossing a fence or from a careless partner. It's actually surprising we don't have more with the number of hunters.
Straight walled over 35 caliber handguns have been allowed in Ohio for quite some time.
I hunt deer on occasion in Ohio which is back to being my official residence. But I grew up in western PA where you can hunt deer with centerfire rifles. I'm not fond of the Ohio laws pertaining to firearms for deer - BUT I understand. Like several posters before me have said, LOTS of idiots pick up a gun one week out of the year - deer season. And when you have 500,000 of them shooting at anything that even remotely resembles a deer......
I hunt deer on occasion in Ohio which is back to being my official residence. But I grew up in western PA where you can hunt deer with centerfire rifles. I'm not fond of the Ohio laws pertaining to firearms for deer - BUT I understand. Like several posters before me have said, LOTS of idiots pick up a gun one week out of the year - deer season. And when you have 500,000 of them shooting at anything that even remotely resembles a deer......
The Ohio DNR allows center fire rifles for varmint hunting because they state that varmint hunters tend to be more experianced hunters and they shoot accurately. Consider us lucky that they have not banned center fire rifles. I quit deer hunting in PA because of all of the once a year nut cases I saw. Several times I had someone looking at me through their rifle scope with a loaded rifle. I heard one guy say he shot at a noise in the bushes.
CJ6
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The "idiots" are not exclusive to CF/bottle necked cartridges, slug hunters have their share too, so it's NOT what case/caliber being used it's the shooter. The Minn DNR has in it's infinite wisdom legalized ALL CF calibers (.224)and larger for deer (rifle and pistol depending on zone). Yup that deer slayin 25 auto is KING of the field 
250yds DRT 
......Serriosly though a 444 Marlin in a Ported TC will do a bang up job for most deer (for straight walled cases).
250yds DRT ......Serriosly though a 444 Marlin in a Ported TC will do a bang up job for most deer (for straight walled cases).snert
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When I moved to NY (Central) from PA, I was shocked to find I could not hunt with my rifle. In PA I hunted (1980's) very successfully in the "suburbs", which were different then than now! In CNY there were more deer than people and farms everywhere, but NO RIFLES! when deer season came around I got an education real fast about slug guns toted by "rabbit hunters" pushing for deer! I thought PA was a bit interesting during the opener! The first time I saw a 10 man "push" (from a treestand thank the LOrd!) through viburnam (called buck brush here) I about choked. Deer went everywhere. Slugs went everywhere and i can assure you that they bounce worse than any 22 rimfire. I slammed myself tight to the opposite side of my tree and prayed. I was stunned to see no dead deer and no dead "hunters", but I suddenly understood why the 1100 was so popular!!!
After that i opted for a HIGH tree stand, with walls, and a nice Contender. 22 deer later I quit hunting deer.
Now they allow rifles in that county and things have settled down. People build tree stands high and sit...I guess I was 25 years ahead of the times.
After that i opted for a HIGH tree stand, with walls, and a nice Contender. 22 deer later I quit hunting deer.
Now they allow rifles in that county and things have settled down. People build tree stands high and sit...I guess I was 25 years ahead of the times.
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