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Howa Mini Action Vartarg Build

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Has anyone built a fireball or vartarg (17, 20, 221) on the howa mini-action? I'd be interested to hear about the experience you had.

Cut back .204 barrel or rebarreled? Issues with metric barrel threads? Who supplied the barrel and how was it?

Issues with feeding or extractions? Changes to magazine or feed ramps? Single shot only?

Issues with aftermarket stocks, triggers, rails or rings?

If you had previously built a fireball based on a standard short action, how did the projects compare and would you recommend the mini-action as a better alternative.

Same question could be asked about building a PPC off the appropriate bolt-head.

Thanks
 
I wish I knew more about the mini-action, it intrigues me for small chambering builds. The other small action is the CZ 527.
 
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And don't forget Sako.
I think the interest in the mini-action primarily indicates the budget which is being considered. The mini action is probably the cheapest there is. Not bench rest, but perhaps varmint quality. At least that's the perspective I was thinking for the post (I can't afford a sako)
 
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The only 20 VarTarg I've built (so far) was on a stainless M700 which was purchased as a complete rifle in 17 Fireball (ss fluted in CDL stock). Sold it after a reality check revealed the fact that there are no decent dog towns within easy driving distance, but have missed it ever since, dogs or no. Have been very interested with the possibility of another VarTarg on the Mini action, and so ordered in several Howa mini bbl'd actions - one in 222, plus a couple of 6.5 Grendels (hvy & sptr wt bbls).

However strong the attraction of another VarTarg is, the idea of building a 6RAT (think miniature Dasher, based on 6.5 Grendel case) was much stronger, so that's the first build I've completed on the Mini action. I put the heavy bbl'd 6.5 Grendel action into a Boyds ProVarmint stock wtih adjustable cheekpiece. Have yet to shoot it, but do like the looks of it in that stock. I pulled the sporter wt bbl on the other 6.5 action, then replaced it with a Bartlein 6mm/1-8tw/5R in light Palma contour, with the 1.250" shank turned down to 1.090" to better match the small receiver diameter. Cut 1" off the shank, which was made much longer when turned down, then chambered it with my 6RAT reamer, fitted it to the action, and bedded it into a McMillan Sako varmint pattern stock. I had to send the 222 bbl'd action to McMillan in order for them to model the action inlet, and the Sako varmint was the 1st stock they'd recommended for these small actions. I finished the Bartlein at 24" & threaded the muzzle 5/8-24 for a TBAC CB brake/mount for my Ultra 7 suppressor.

I bedded the McM stock with Marine Tex, even though it was ordered with machined-in pillars. Initial accuracy testing was somewhat disappointing, so I went back in and relieved the bedding under the bbl's shank, leaving only a 1/4" ahead of the front receiver ring. I tried this because it's been my experience that medium/standard Palma bbls don't seem to like having the shank bedded, and I thought the light Palma might be the same. It worked, as the next time I shot it at 505yds, I got a 4" 5-shot group, which was a considerable improvement over the 1st time I shot it at 600yds. Have yet to shoot it at 100yds, aside from three rounds fired to zero the scope prior to moving back to 505yds, so can't comment on point blank accuracy. The load I shot at 505 used IMR 4320, CCI BR4 primers, & Berger 90gr BTHP, which hasn't shot that well in the past for me out of 6 HAGAR AR15, 6RAT AR15, or even a 6 Dasher bolt gun. This was a fireform load in the Mini, using some old Alexander Arms 6.5 Grendel brass, which I believe was made for them by Lapua.

I didn't take the time to true the Mini action, as I was in a hurry, and didn't have a mandrel of the correct diameter to use to dial-in on. Even if I had been able to dial it in, there's no way I'd have tried to pick up the tiny 1mm thread to single point it. If further shooting with the completed rifle proves that the first 505yd group wasn't a fluke, I'll be satisfied that this action is just fine as received. I tried a Timney trigger in this Mini, and although it fit the action & functioned fine, the bottom of the trigger housing hits the factory plastic DBM, which is too thin IMHO to cut for that trigger. Again, I was in a hurry to get the rifle finished & put together before spring farm work will prevent me from doing any more tinkering for awhile. I did take the time to degrease & blast the bbl'd action, then CeraKote it in Magpul FDE to go with the McM stock's desert ambush finish.

When I get the 222 Mini back from McMillan, I'll have to make the decision on whether to go with a 20 VarTarg, or 223. I'll have a McM Game Scout stock in the same desert ambush molded-in color to use with it, so am looking forward to getting another build on these actions underway.
 
The only 20 VarTarg I've built (so far) was on a stainless M700 which was purchased as a complete rifle in 17 Fireball (ss fluted in CDL stock). Sold it after a reality check revealed the fact that there are no decent dog towns within easy driving distance, but have missed it ever since, dogs or no. Have been very interested with the possibility of another VarTarg on the Mini action, and so ordered in several Howa mini bbl'd actions - one in 222, plus a couple of 6.5 Grendels (hvy & sptr wt bbls).

However strong the attraction of another VarTarg is, the idea of building a 6RAT (think miniature Dasher, based on 6.5 Grendel case) was much stronger, so that's the first build I've completed on the Mini action. I put the heavy bbl'd 6.5 Grendel action into a Boyds ProVarmint stock wtih adjustable cheekpiece. Have yet to shoot it, but do like the looks of it in that stock. I pulled the sporter wt bbl on the other 6.5 action, then replaced it with a Bartlein 6mm/1-8tw/5R in light Palma contour, with the 1.250" shank turned down to 1.090" to better match the small receiver diameter. Cut 1" off the shank, which was made much longer when turned down, then chambered it with my 6RAT reamer, fitted it to the action, and bedded it into a McMillan Sako varmint pattern stock. I had to send the 222 bbl'd action to McMillan in order for them to model the action inlet, and the Sako varmint was the 1st stock they'd recommended for these small actions. I finished the Bartlein at 24" & threaded the muzzle 5/8-24 for a TBAC CB brake/mount for my Ultra 7 suppressor.

I bedded the McM stock with Marine Tex, even though it was ordered with machined-in pillars. Initial accuracy testing was somewhat disappointing, so I went back in and relieved the bedding under the bbl's shank, leaving only a 1/4" ahead of the front receiver ring. I tried this because it's been my experience that medium/standard Palma bbls don't seem to like having the shank bedded, and I thought the light Palma might be the same. It worked, as the next time I shot it at 505yds, I got a 4" 5-shot group, which was a considerable improvement over the 1st time I shot it at 600yds. Have yet to shoot it at 100yds, aside from three rounds fired to zero the scope prior to moving back to 505yds, so can't comment on point blank accuracy. The load I shot at 505 used IMR 4320, CCI BR4 primers, & Berger 90gr BTHP, which hasn't shot that well in the past for me out of 6 HAGAR AR15, 6RAT AR15, or even a 6 Dasher bolt gun. This was a fireform load in the Mini, using some old Alexander Arms 6.5 Grendel brass, which I believe was made for them by Lapua.

I didn't take the time to true the Mini action, as I was in a hurry, and didn't have a mandrel of the correct diameter to use to dial-in on. Even if I had been able to dial it in, there's no way I'd have tried to pick up the tiny 1mm thread to single point it. If further shooting with the completed rifle proves that the first 505yd group wasn't a fluke, I'll be satisfied that this action is just fine as received. I tried a Timney trigger in this Mini, and although it fit the action & functioned fine, the bottom of the trigger housing hits the factory plastic DBM, which is too thin IMHO to cut for that trigger. Again, I was in a hurry to get the rifle finished & put together before spring farm work will prevent me from doing any more tinkering for awhile. I did take the time to degrease & blast the bbl'd action, then CeraKote it in Magpul FDE to go with the McM stock's desert ambush finish.

When I get the 222 Mini back from McMillan, I'll have to make the decision on whether to go with a 20 VarTarg, or 223. I'll have a McM Game Scout stock in the same desert ambush molded-in color to use with it, so am looking forward to getting another build on these actions underway.
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Has anyone built a fireball or vartarg (17, 20, 221) on the howa mini-action? I'd be interested to hear about the experience you had.

Cut back .204 barrel or rebarreled? Issues with metric barrel threads? Who supplied the barrel and how was it?

Issues with feeding or extractions? Changes to magazine or feed ramps? Single shot only?

Issues with aftermarket stocks, triggers, rails or rings?

If you had previously built a fireball based on a standard short action, how did the projects compare and would you recommend the mini-action as a better alternative.

Same question could be asked about building a PPC off the appropriate bolt-head.

Thanks


If you want it to be a repeater, I would suggest (after deciding what chambering, and bullet you want to shoot) that you start with the mag length and work backwards to the reamer used.

If you don't plan on shooting longer bullets, or don't mind loading one at a time, then disregard the above, however, even single loaded rounds may not eject with the bullet in place.

Just some thoughts from a 527 build I did.

Jim
 
I have a 20 Vartarg that was built as a barreled action from Shilen. So it's a stiller/savage/Remington :) It turns out I was a lucky one and mine feeds and extracts like butter.

I also have a factory 17 fireball, but it's a Remington SPS and eventually it will rust away. I plan on making another vartarg within the next couple years, but don't want to use a Remington action, and don't want to spend for a shilen/sako.

I like the CZ 527, and resources are aplenty for how to turn it into a VT, but the info on the mini-action is pretty sparse. I was hoping this thread would become the internet destination for mini-action/vartarg info.
 
I have access to the Howa Mini, the CZ 527 and the Sako L461. The Sako and the Mini are suspiciously similar except scope mounting systems and triggers. They've all pretty similar magazine cartridge lengths (±2.325" OAL).

The 527 action is much smaller diameter and really only supports the 3-5round single stack magazine. The 16mm Dovetail is a PITA to find a suitable ring height for smaller objective scopes. It is nice that it's all steel/wood and the set-trigger is pretty nice for a factory trigger. The standard trigger's a bit rough with plenty of creep. I can get about .5 MOA in 9 twist .223 Rem with 69SMKs. The action started out pretty rough from the factory but has improved a lot working the bolt on the couch watching movies. The 527 is not bad, but for the price I could have had 2 Howa Minis.

The Mini's plastic stock, magazine and bottom 'metal' are a bit rinky-dink (Boyds offers wood options), the magazine catch is entirely too easy to bump accidentally but 10 rounds is certainly convenient. It's a two stage trigger and is decent despite a hefty pull weight. The 9 twist .223 Rem does a little less than MOA consistently between 3 different factory barrels. These are in current production, uses Remington 700 scope bases and are particularly affordable. Legacy Sports appears to be pretty responsive to customer feedback and Customer Service. The action is pretty darn smooth from the factory and it gets better with wear.

The Sako's pretty nice all around, with the steel hinged floor plate. Generally not cheap and are out of production. Again you're stuck using less than common scope mounting systems, there are options but they're not inexpensive and you have to hunt for them. The trigger's a single stage, crisp and adjustable to a point. Still pretty stiff when tuned to the light end; too light and it's easy to fire with a knock to the stock. Good luck finding spare parts. Quality's pretty sweet though.

You don't mention a purpose for the rifle, Prose. I'd say for a knock-about rifle for plinking/varminting you could do a hell of a lot worse than the Mini. For $300 I was impressed as far as the action goes.
 
Purpose is prairie dogs. Walkabout type varminting. Thanks for the rundown on the actions McFred. Certainly pros and cons of each. Still hoping that someone has made a vartarg and will post about it.
 
Purpose is prairie dogs. Walkabout type varminting. Thanks for the rundown on the actions McFred. Certainly pros and cons of each. Still hoping that someone has made a vartarg and will post about it.

I bought a howa mini a couole months ago for the purpose of turning it into a vartarg.

I hopefully will be getting to it in two or three weeks.

The only potential problem I see is with the ejector location. But, I guess we'll see.
 
I should've mentioned that I built my first boltgun 6RAT on a CZ 527. It turned out to be an attractive rifle, having some fiddleback figure in the OEM Turkish walnut stock, and has nice proportions with a 24" Krieger #4 sporter bbl (turned the 1.250" shank down to 1.090" on this one also, to better match the 527's small diameter). While the 527 RAT shoots OK, it's never really impressed me with pinpoint accuracy. And its Mauser-style claw extractor won't allow single feeding of rounds too long to fit the magazine. I understand there's a SLED device available for these actions that would deal with that problem, but haven't looked into getting one for this rifle yet. I didn't care for the 527's single set trigger, so replaced it with a JARD, which is excellent. Of course, the Howa Mini being a push-feed action, has no issue with single loaded longer rounds. Will be testing the Mini with various 105s as I get time to do so.

Am also really looking forward to getting the 222 Mini bbl'd action back from McMillan once they finish the Game Scout stock for it. Since I've already got a 20VT reamer, along with Redding body & bushing neck dies, and some left-over loaded ammo I didn't sell with the M700 20VT, I might as well pull the 222 factory bbl when it comes back, and get with the program using a Krieger .204" bore blank I have on hand. I'd like to try some Lapua 221FB brass, as the R-P 221 isn't very uniform. But my 20VT reamer has a neck dia of only .232", so I'd have to neck turn, which I'm not wild about doing.
 
I bought a howa mini a couole months ago for the purpose of turning it into a vartarg.

I hopefully will be getting to it in two or three weeks.

The only potential problem I see is with the ejector location. But, I guess we'll see.
Very interesting. What is your build plan? Keep us updated.
 
Bumping this, still looking for someone with experience turning a howa mini action into a vartarg
 
I was at the range yesterday and a fellow shooter recognized my vartarg ammo. He stated that he built one on the mini and it functions fine with no changes.
 
Have been very interested with the possibility of another VarTarg on the Mini action, and so ordered in several Howa mini bbl'd actions - one in 222, plus a couple of 6.5 Grendels (hvy & sptr wt bbls).

Did you shoot them at all in the 6.5 Grendel form Dennis? (I've been promised a Grendel Howa Mini Varmint in the recently introduced MDT Oryx chassis stock by our importer - it should make for a very nice little general-purpose clubman's / light deer rifle if it performs well enough.)
 

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