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How to get into competition with Aerospikes?

I would love to see how Dr John would talk to Speedy or Omar, both of whom build rifles I shoot often (both rifles fired TODAY at 600 yards in Midland, MI). I defy Dr. John to try to hold a 10 minute conversation with Speedy without him laughing and hanging up. Seriously, Speedy doesn’t have time to waste. And as soon as he is talked to by someone that starts telling him how to do his life’s work, that conversation is over.
Dave
I know Speedy. However, he was asking how to get them into competition. That would be how I would try doing it as well as showing up at some matches, shooting the bullets and handing some out to some of the competitors.
 
Guys, several years back (you can check the archives), I told this gentleman to make some 6MM, and I would test them. Never heard from him. His post back then went about like this one.

Bart
Seems about right Bart. His social skills are lacking and several people have offered to shoot his bullets and few like myself actually purchased a small qty just because I love testing new things and I’m not confident he has a full understanding of the expectations of his target audience. If he made a 6mm bullet in the 103-110gr range I’d love to shoot them in my dasher, up against my bullet of choice, your 105gr Gungnirs.
Dave
 
Seems about right Bart. His social skills are lacking and several people have offered to shoot his bullets and few like myself actually purchased a small qty just because I love testing new things and I’m not confident he has a full understanding of the expectations of his target audience. If he made a 6mm bullet in the 103-110gr range I’d love to shoot them in my dasher, up against my bullet of choice, your 105gr Gungnirs.
Dave
But it’ll have less drop!
 
This duds going nowhere fast.. he will be back in another 3 years with an improved version with out the pointed end. Oh wait thats just a normal solid and it wont work in our game either…….Perhaps ELR with big heavy’s
 
You sir, are going to get pissed off when you get pissed on! Customers are valued not expected!

DJ
Where is the 1k like icon for this post.
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Most of my business was with repeat clients.
I had to work just as hard to keep them as repeat clients as I did finding new clients.
I was very fortunate as many of my repeat client would recruit new clients for me and the hard work for the new clients would start anew.

I always thought ... the harder I worked .... the luckier I got.
 
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I'm sorry that my "claimed" degrees hurt your delicate sensibilities. Maybe you should start a petition to get me kicked off the forum for discussing my research into external ballistics? OR maybe you should stop being an ignorant simpleton and kindly ignore my posts if they hurt your feelings?

It has been my life's work to develop aerospike bullet theory and I have reached a point where I need others to begin shooting them to find any issues that I have missed. If you want to be a part of this then feel free to join in. If not then kindly piss off.
How much discretionary income do you spend with people you don't like, or with people that insult you ?

Just a thought about your target audience
 
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HappyHellfire is in the opposite situation of most of us. He has no competition grade rifles on hand. We on here generally have no means of producing a bullet, ourselves. We will never made a bullet, realistically, any more than a barrel.

I know that a lathe with a bar stock feeder and coolant system isn’t impossible to come by, but not .1% of us are ever going to have one, or a place to put it. Hellfire has one, and it seems like he has interest and energy to put it to use for bullets.

Like an old commercial I remember, it seems like a case of chocolate and peanut butter needing some help to come together, but both getting agitated along the way.

Whether a blunt nose solid or short range is where any of us would think of starting, - Hellfire is just one nudge and cutting profile away from producing fine long range projectiles, because this set up he has can make them.

There’s Warner, there’s Lehigh, Cutting Edge, maybe a Berger, and that’s about all I can think of. It seems like a small market, low volume niche business, that he wants to explore.

I’d say to Happy, consider that a turned solid can have something that other bullets struggle with or must completely side-step and say is not needed, because they simply must say that - a perfectly centered, utra-sharp point, uniform from one bullet to the next. Your bullet will NEVER blow up. Perhaps look at a market where fragility IS an issue when twist MUST be fast, where one thing matters a lot, and it’s not the cost of the bullet.

I sometimes forget what that is, so I put it on a car.
 

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With the newer aerospike bullet design.....I'd cut a rebate on it and it
would have a resemblance to Lapua's D46 !!
 

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With the newer aerospike bullet design.....I'd cut a rebate on it and it
would have a resemblance to Lapua's D46 !!

That is a cool looking base but there is no math to support the shape. If you look at the writeup for aerospikes I describe why the shape is required to be like it is. You can also look up "rocket nozzle design" with "method of characteristics" to find tons of information of why rocket nozzles all look the same.

I think Lapua was looking at a picture of base recirculation and tried to fill in some of the lower pressure area with their design.

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Guys, several years back (you can check the archives), I told this gentleman to make some 6MM, and I would test them. Never heard from him. His post back then went about like this one.

Bart

I could never get to a 95% confidence level in the results. It took be a while to learn how to cut the bullets myself so that I could iterate the design space to find a bullet that was both stable and showed the aerospike performance "bump". It has been a long road.

I have 30 caliber and 6.5mm if you would like some to test. Just PM me.
 
I could never get to a 95% confidence level in the results. It took be a while to learn how to cut the bullets myself so that I could iterate the design space to find a bullet that was both stable and showed the aerospike performance "bump". It has been a long road.

I have 30 caliber and 6.5mm if you would like some to test. Just PM me.
If you’d like some to test, just PM Hellfire, and then you can end up buying them just like I did. lol
Dave
 
If you’d like some to test, just PM Hellfire, and then you can end up buying them just like I did. lol
Dave
I agree.
I made him an offer and nothing but crickets.
Leads me to believe he doesn't truly care about testing these "miracle" bullets but instead just like to talk about them.

And still crickets..... :eek:
 
I agree.
I made him an offer and nothing but crickets.
Leads me to believe he doesn't truly care about testing these "miracle" bullets but instead just like to talk about them.

And still crickets..... :eek:
I doubt if he will be able to talk them into shooting accurately. But yes he is trying.
 
So I was thinking about getting into a competition to prove that the aerospike bullets could be better. The question is which competition. Of course I want to pick the one that the aerospikes will do the very best. So here is what they have to offer:

They fly like regular bullets out of the muzzle but when the bullet slows to a certain speed (based upon the aerospike design) the drag dramatically drops. This means that the time of flight should be less for longer ranges and thus less wind error. They are also solid copper if there are competitions for that.

I know it is not valued around this forum, but I have 20 years of ballistics experience and can write custom ballistics apps for my phone. Although I have never shot in long range competitions I have shot a hell of a lot. Maybe 10K shots a year? This is my business after all.

I'm bootstrapping this whole process so a $10K entrance is not doable. Maybe an off the shelf gun competition to remove the expensive custom mods?

What would y'all recommend?
Just to give you a heads up on what you need to compete with -

https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/smallest-100yrd-5-shot-group.4126330/
 

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