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How Do Douglas Barrel Stack Up in Today's Barrel-Making Universe?

I have never had a so so Douglas barrel, the 4-5 I have owned all shot well whether CM or SS. Have had 3 Shilen's and none made me all warm and fuzzy! When Dakota Arms first opened in Sturgis I stopped in and Pete Grisel gave me a tour, he said at that time they were using Douglas blanks. Have also heard that Cooper used them when they started and IIRC Kimber of Oregon also used them? Had one of the first Kimbers but cannot verify that it had a Douglas barrel.

Dave Carver of IT&D in OH has always used Douglas blanks and buys them at least 100 at a time he said. Now with as many barrels as he has sold and installed me thinks if they were garbage he probably wouldn't be as busy as he is? The 6 I have bought from him as new barreled actions or threaded and long chambered all shot extremely well. Yea, not benchrest winners but way more accuracy then necessary for a big game or varmint rig.

Also have a great friend and smith who has installed close to 200 Douglas blanks. He had ONE that he chambered in 22/250 that wouldn't shoot. Douglas sent him another blank and let him keep the first. When he had some free time he cut off the breech end and rethreaded and chambered it to 223. Whether his mess up or Douglas' it then shot super. He built a 6AI for a lady customer using a Douglas barrel that won the VHA shoot one year in Pierre against rifles built by Gritters, Holland and a couple other gents that know their way around a machine shop and none of them were built with Douglas blanks.

Never had a Shilen that ran on the fast side but every Douglas I have owned and chronographed was satisfactory or above for speed. My experience is that 95% of shooters cannot out shoot a Douglas barrel and I am in that majority. Just not KOOL to own a Douglas, especially now with the internet crowd, you have to be up there with the Jones's or yer nuttin!!!!!!

My 6TCU is a 12 twist Douglas stainless, I shot 3 shots holding forend like I would hunting yotes out the truck window, then 3 letting it recoil off the bag and then screwed on my Gemtech HVT and shot 3 each way. The 12 shots averaged .497", so tolerable accuracy IMHO. Load was 50TNT with 335 and barrel is a #5 cut @ 20". Never tinkered with seating depth, bullets or neck tension etc, just the first load I tried from a loading manual. Guessing if I put a bit more time and effort into it it may do better than that. IIRC the smallest 3 shot group from it is under .2. Built it for a truck gun and not a paper puncher so when it and I were consistently in the 1/2 moa range all testing ceased!!! One could do much worse than buying a Douglas blank from my experiences!!

All the Douglas' I have owned/shot also cleaned up faster than any Shilen I have had!

Just me measly 2 cents worth of hands on experiences!

Respectfully,
Dennis
 
I have a 7 rem mag that I bought used with a fluted Douglas #5 bull sporter that shoots really good, in the 3's when I do my part. It also is a fast barrel as the gentlemen mentioned earlier. Mine chronos with 168 Bergers and re-22 at 3075. I'm plenty happy with my Douglas. With that being said, I've bought several barrels since and they were all kreigers, bartleins, or brux's.
 
Did a search on Douglas bbls...as late as 2011, they did NOT "lap" (lap as in hand lap) any barrels. Instead they use a "double button process" ...but only on their 6 mm and 30 cal. ( "because those calibers are the most common in competition"). There may be other proprietary methods used to get their bores extremely smooth without lapping. I believe their 2 grades, XX air gauge and XX premium....the premium is hand selected for straightness and the bore and groove dimensions fall in the middle of spec.
 
Used to use them all the time. Think that was in the 60's and 70's.

Few left on my rifles as I just never think to use them any more. Don't often shoot out my hunting rifles and when I do the price of a top barrel is not high enough to justify fooling around with Douglas.
My thoughts exactly
A few dollars more gets you a better barrel
 
Where were Douglas barrels made? I had one put on my 6.5-06 that shoots well for a hunting rifle. Around a 1/2 " with crappy hand loads.
 
With all the ink the "major" guys get, it's easy to forget they're still in business and making good barrels. I had one on a 6BR sporter contour hunting rifle and it wasn't benchrest accurate, but more than enough for its mission.
 
This was testing new brass in a 300wm. Granted, only at 100y but with the recoil of a 230gr Berger I find this way more than acceptable for my needs.

FWIW, I shot the first three of the 73.4, then moved and shot the 3, 73.8, then moved back and shot two more into 73.4. (Didn't shoot the last two 73.8 as I was starting to get ejector marks) All from a bipod, in the dirt. Barrel has about 450 rounds down it. Uncleaned for the last 120 suppressed rounds before testing started.

Maybe not benchrest quality, but as accurate as I am ever going to shoot.

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This was testing new brass in a 300wm. Granted, only at 100y but with the recoil of a 230gr Berger I find this way more than acceptable for my needs.

FWIW, I shot the first three of the 73.4, then moved and shot the 3, 73.8, then moved back and shot two more into 73.4. (Didn't shoot the last two 73.8 as I was starting to get ejector marks) All from a bipod, in the dirt. Barrel has about 450 rounds down it. Uncleaned for the last 120 suppressed rounds before testing started.

Maybe not benchrest quality, but as accurate as I am ever going to shoot.

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Looks pretty darn good to me
 
This was testing new brass in a 300wm. Granted, only at 100y but with the recoil of a 230gr Berger I find this way more than acceptable for my needs.

FWIW, I shot the first three of the 73.4, then moved and shot the 3, 73.8, then moved back and shot two more into 73.4. (Didn't shoot the last two 73.8 as I was starting to get ejector marks) All from a bipod, in the dirt. Barrel has about 450 rounds down it. Uncleaned for the last 120 suppressed rounds before testing started.

Maybe not benchrest quality, but as accurate as I am ever going to shoot.

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Personally I am impressed with that kind of shooting off a bipod kudus to you sir.
 
Douglas barrels have been around for YEARS if that tells you anything.;)
My first was a 15" straight pipe on my XP 100 maybe 15 years ago. Shot LIGHTS OUT then and still shoots bug holes to this day.
Douglas has been providing factory barrels for MANY gun makers. You just don't know who they are.
As far as the "equipment list? Somebody happens to come out on top so EVERYBODY has to have what the winner has and jumps on the band wagon!:rolleyes: You never hear about the CRAP that DIDN'T work.:mad:
You never hear about the Pac Nor, Krieger, Hart, etc, that didn't make the grade.;)

Was working on a wildcat project and needed a barrel but didn't want to spend BIG$$ and not be happy with the final outcome. Somebody pointed me in the direction of a couple of Wilson barrels at auction. Was able to snag "one".;) Had it chambered up with my reamer and mounted it up. Was told it was CRAP because it wasn't lapped?? :eek: Some of us old guys have pretty strong opinions.:oops: Turned out to be one of the BEST bug hole makers I've ever had. Cleans up as smooth as silk. :cool:
You pays your money and you takes your chances.:D
 
My experience with Douglas barrels goes back a lot of years to when I was shooting XTC and everyone had a M-1A. In my rifle I found both Krieger and Douglas barrels shot well. The difference appeared towards the end of the barrels life. The Krieger would through a flier on occasion and finally pattern like a shotgun. The Douglas would open up in group size more and more but not through fliers. Then again that was 20+ years ago.
This was my experience too.

I had good luck with Douglas barrels. They’re not BR quality, but they’re good enough for even an LR hunter. The next step up was Shilen.
 
This was my experience too.

I had good luck with Douglas barrels. They’re not BR quality, but they’re good enough for even an LR hunter. The next step up was Shilen.

I'm not arguing, just double checking, one step up from a Shilen? I value your opinion riflewoman.

Don Dunlap
 
This was my experience too.

I had good luck with Douglas barrels. They’re not BR quality, but they’re good enough for even an LR hunter. The next step up was Shilen.

I have no personal experience with Douglas barrels as of yet, but I think Mr Taylor's wall of wood would like to argue that point. Proof like that sure doesnt seem to want to shy me away from trying them.



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