Hot rod varment cal.

[dtucker]

Laughing my *** off at this 1

I second what Dan T said- My first varmint gun I had bult was 22-250AI on Win 70 action 27" and 1.00 at the muzzle- After a couple hours walking RR beds I was thinking how nice a donkey would be to carry this freakin sledghammer ....

 

[dtucker]

If you build this caliber are you planning on building it as a repeater? If so i would suggest you build it on a long action as by the twist it looks like you are going to be shooting the long heavy 1s.

all this talk has me all pumped up just ordered a barrel today stainless Hart 6mm 1-8 still not a 100% sure on the cal but I am really leaning toward the 6mm284 really sounds like just what the doctor ordered

 

[eddywitay]

I have a few custom hunting rifles made by Hart they always do great work that made me a 6BR atd the thing is a hammer It is a beautiful rifle. As for the new 6mm284 is question It will be shot from the bench or one of the dozen other type of shooting apparatus I have .I love stuff. I would like the gun and scope to weigh around 10.5 lbs. when I hunt chucks I like to sit and glass the fields and hedgerows

 

[L461]

A friend who has spent a huge amount of money and time working with AI cartridges, has said that the limiting factor for the .243 AI is the amount of pressure that a case with large primers can withstand. For that reason, if I were going to play the game, I might consider necking down and fire forming Lapua 6.5 x 47 brass, and using CCIs magnum small rifle primers. One advantage of necking down is that you can put the shoulder where you want , for a good fit when fire forming. I would probably have Hornady make a hydraulic case forming die.

That is the way I went.With my 25" barrel I easily get 3750FPS with 75 v-max this projectile works out to 600m for me so why change.

 

[AckleymanII]

Hot rod, eddywitay

Lots of guys are trying to talk you out of a hot rod, you sound like a varmint hunter.

I have had many 243 AI's and it is easy to get a 70g nosler ballistic tip to 3800-3850 fps with a 29-30" tube using Win 760, 12" twist.

With the 244 AI, 14" twist, the 70's will be in their accuracy node at 4150 fps with win 760 and Fed 210 primers, thow in a 75g V max at a minimum of 4050 fps and you are talking some flat shooting wind bucking.

When you go to the heavier bullets, animals just do not blow up...lots of crawlers.

Just how far are you wanting to shoot?

Another thing, for the 6/284 and the 244 AI, the long action is better unless you are willing to single load.

I have both of the 243 AI and 244 AI reamers set up for zero freebore. You do not fill up the case with powder in either case, so suff the bullet down in the case. By eliminating most if not all of the freebore, you will increase the barrel life significantly. Also, if you use Win 760 you will increase the barrel life over a stick powder(partner and I used to shoot 24,000-26,000 rounds a year).

Fact of life, a 70g Nosler at 3850 will copper foul less than a 85g Sierra at 3550 out of a 243 AI due to less bearing surface.

We used the 243 AI's with zero freebore in target rich environments where p. dogs were thick as fleas. We dumped out a box of 50 and fired extremely fast, cleaned every 125 rounds. Throat growth was 0.080 to 0.120 for every 1700 rounds fired. If you use stick powder, growth is more. If you use heavier bullets, growth is more...greater Heat/Pressue/Time.

If you want to see chucks detonate, then use a 75g V max out of a 244 AI...they look like paint balls exploding....nothing left to crawl off....just a gut rug left!

 

[model 12 toby]

why speed? isn't accuracy the most important? I have a 1" at the muzzle too. ;D. it's rough if I haven't carried it for a while but it's not so bad. A guy on snipers hide said he knows alot of guys that complain a rifle is too heavy will have no problem carrying around a 40 pound gut. lol. I thought that was funny.

 

[garyw]

i had a 6-284 the case was shortened by .250 with a jones die and neck turned i was getting 3250 with h4831sc and berger 105,s barrel lasted 1100 rounds,same rifle is now my 6x47; less powder, less hassle ,more bbl life shooting this in f-class.

 

[xdeano]

what about something like a 22-243, using an 80g Berger. My smith let me borrow his for a couple of weeks. Boy that turned my head. It was pushing those little 80g bullets at 3500fps. It was actually a bit more but I can't remember the exact number so i'll low ball it.

It's a wicked little round. Might be a round to take a look at. The only down fall with the round is the barrel life, but if you're looking at velocity, you're not interested in barrel life to begin with.

xdeano

 

[eddywitay]

I want speed for a few reasons I will be shooting from two hundred yards to 900 or so I have a 6BR and I really like it but for longer shots It slows down a lot with the 105's with a 100 yard zero at 500 yards I have to come up 50 clicks It gets to be a pain coming up all those clicks than having to click all the way back to my zero I was looking for some thing that shoots like my 22-250 with 52 gainers and the 6-284 Is the closest thing I have found barrel life Is not a concern If i only get 1200 round that will last me a couple of years I will use It too shoot woodchucks I don't shoot pdogs.And the reason I want speed Is because IT KILLS>>>

 

[xdeano]

I definitely wouldn't overlook the 22-243 then. The little berger vld 80g has a bc of .444. You can punch that into a calculator and you should come up with ~20.0moa at 1000yds. Thats damn decent. Im running a 6slr at 3050fps with a 105 and at 1k my comeups are 27moa.
Xdeano

 

[bheadboy]

for grins, look at the 22-243AI -- my my fast. and max ofr the 308 case in 22 cal.

Bob

 

[model 12 toby]

if you look out to 800 or so big bullets rule.

 

[model 12 toby]

speed wise I'm saying

 

[6pt-sika]

I'm a big advocate of 6mm cartridges in general .

Now with that being said the best groundhog getter I EVER owned was one of the first Remington 700 Stainless Fluted Sendero's in 25-06 . Had a Leupold Vari XIII 6.5-20AO with target dot and target knobs . That one shooting 87 grain Sierra's was an honest 1/4 MOA rifle .

And like an idiot I sold it after about two years when a friend offered me a little more then I had in the whole rig !

Typically in other groundhoggers I've had I could switch from Nosler's , Sierra's or whatever and go to the same weight Berger and cut group size by a tenth or so . But that wasn't the case with this rifle at near max loads . The Sierra plain jane varmint 87 grainer shot a couple tenths better then Berger's offering at that time .

Now I'm sure I'll get blasted for saying the virtues of the 25-06 . But that thing was a groundhog killer bar none !
Didn't do bad on deer either with a 115 grain Nosler BT

 

[eddywitay]

my dad has a 25-06 rem sendero it is pretty much stock think it has a 2oz jewel trigger and he shoots 87 grain speer tnt varment bullet and wow does that thing shoot it will rival my 6mmbr and that shoots in the low .2I think the gun was made around 1995 or 96

 

[johnmyers]

I had one of the early Sendero 25-06s and yes it was a great prarie dog rifle. Shot 100gr SMKs and 87 Noslers great. Burned out the bbl and didn't replace. what a mistake. One of the most accurate rifles I have ever owned.

 

[gmorganal]

My experience has been that the 25.06 loads using less than 100-grain bullets act like you have thrown out a parachute past 500 yards.

I've had two 6x284 barrels, and it's the first reamer I purchased because I will not be without a 6x284 as long as I shoot. The 87 grain Vmax works great out to 800 yards. I've killed PDs over 1,000 yards with it. They are accurate and frangible which is what you need when you hit a critter way out there with the bullet slowing down. Also the 105 Amax works well and stabilizes in my 1 in 10 twist Hart barrel. They just don't open up quite like the Vmax.

I shoot the 87 grainer at around 3600 FPS.

 

[6pt-sika]

My experience has been that the 25.06 loads using less than 100-grain bullets act like you have thrown out a parachute past 500 yards.

I've had two 6x284 barrels, and it's the first reamer I purchased because I will not be without a 6x284 as long as I shoot. The 87 grain Vmax works great out to 800 yards. I've killed PDs over 1,000 yards with it. They are accurate and frangible which is what you need when you hit a critter way out there with the bullet slowing down. Also the 105 Amax works well and stabilizes in my 1 in 10 twist Hart barrel. They just don't open up quite like the Vmax.

I shoot the 87 grainer at around 3600 FPS.

Well hells bells I had a Pre 64 Model 70 standerd weight in 264 WIN MAG with a factory 26" stainless barrel . That one shooting the Sierra 85 grain varminter was cruising along at 3800+ . But my old Sendero whould shoot circles around that 264 MAG . And this coming from a person that truely loves 6.5mm cartridges .