Hornady Podcast on Load Development
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TylerFromMS
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Their bushing dies are actually really nice. And the bullets are awesome for fireforming.
The beauty about their testing is that using their components, a random load is already as good as it’s going to get! Self-fulfilling prophecy.
The beauty about their testing is that using their components, a random load is already as good as it’s going to get! Self-fulfilling prophecy.
I believe that is the huge question from a lot of shooters. Personally I don't believe their testing is anywhere close to being the best method as you say the "most accurate shooters" use. They cannot tell me the likes of Jack Neary, Bart Sauter, Erik Cortina, Speedy Gonzalas etc. is doing it wrong.
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TylerFromMS
Gold $$ Contributor
They are wrong. They’re fudds and have been doing it wrong all this time.
They just keep getting lucky somehow. Over and over again. Pure luck. Barrel after barrel. Luck.
LOL. Right. Well at least the Hornady guys can feel better about their test knowing all those guys have just been hitting a lucky streak with their testing all these years.
I guess it would be nice if Hornady just went on and told the "most accurate shooters" their luck has just run out on them.
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They don't make any 20cal bushings.
VA_XTC_Shooter
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I know their engineer posts on Snipershide. Not sure about Jayden or the PR guy.
I do appreciate Hornady putting out podcasts. Even if many here don't agree, they do at least raise discussions and can be thought provoking.
I just wish Hornady would put out white papers showing their research to back up their assertions from their podcasts. If you are not willing to show your work, your conclusions are questionable.
I do appreciate Hornady putting out podcasts. Even if many here don't agree, they do at least raise discussions and can be thought provoking.
I just wish Hornady would put out white papers showing their research to back up their assertions from their podcasts. If you are not willing to show your work, your conclusions are questionable.
Miles argued that you can tune your load by swapping out muzzle devices until you find the one that shoots your load the best. Strange, since he previously argued that barrel tuners (adjustable muzzle devices) don't work!
1:03:59 Miles- "...that is another final tune that you can play with when you get get all your load development done to the best of what you you get. Uh if you're still curious you know, maybe I could improve that a little bit, I'd like that to be a little better, you can swap muzzle devices and you might be surprised. You got a good chance of seeing distinct dispersion profiles tied to muzzle devices. The gas gun from last year was much more sensitive to it, um, and so the bolt gun it's not a huge change but you can definitely tell different muzzle devices, suppressors, different brakes. Um yeah so the one I'm running is the one that shot the best."
1:03:59 Miles- "...that is another final tune that you can play with when you get get all your load development done to the best of what you you get. Uh if you're still curious you know, maybe I could improve that a little bit, I'd like that to be a little better, you can swap muzzle devices and you might be surprised. You got a good chance of seeing distinct dispersion profiles tied to muzzle devices. The gas gun from last year was much more sensitive to it, um, and so the bolt gun it's not a huge change but you can definitely tell different muzzle devices, suppressors, different brakes. Um yeah so the one I'm running is the one that shot the best."
VA_XTC_Shooter
Silver $$ Contributor
Funny, Litz's data, that he actually published showed deburring punched flash holes did decrease SD (except in their 300 win mag sample).
I've watched a number of their Podcasts. They tend to be overly long and complicated.
My impression is that their advice is based on laboratory environments, ideal conditions, no limits of components, and procedures followed by highly trained and educated ballistics engineers. While their advice may be valid, a lot of it is impractical for the average shooter who has limited funds and access to laboratory conditions (i.e., shooting indoors where wind and mirage effects are eliminated).
I never found it complicated or difficult to find a serviceable load using a few basic standard and basic procedures in load development. It really isn't that complicated or difficult.
My impression is that their advice is based on laboratory environments, ideal conditions, no limits of components, and procedures followed by highly trained and educated ballistics engineers. While their advice may be valid, a lot of it is impractical for the average shooter who has limited funds and access to laboratory conditions (i.e., shooting indoors where wind and mirage effects are eliminated).
I never found it complicated or difficult to find a serviceable load using a few basic standard and basic procedures in load development. It really isn't that complicated or difficult.
kyotekiller25
Silver $$ Contributor
I like their XTPs, Vmaxs, and ELDMs. That's about it.
Pick ya poison
Bc'z and I drink a little Rye from time to time. The Hornady podcasts,
I switch to Irish. It numb's you quicker, and negate's the need to throw
a shoe thru the screen......At least with Eric's podcasts I can just kick back
with a cold beer and enjoy life......
Eric needs to do another podcast with these guy's................................Or not.
As far as I understand, they said that hanging a muzzle device on barrel does change the dispersion but moving it a few tenths of an inch by threading it in and out does not.
Their load development is targeted towards PRS, not F class or benchrest shooting.
Dimner
I do believe in Captain Crunch.
Hornadys podcast is just marketing plain and simple. They are not interested in actual scientific tests. They are interested in consumer engagement and brand awareness. They will do analytics off the podcast engagement and determine if it is worth the investment. These are not hobbiests, they are selling products even if indirectly.
I don’t think we should get down on Hornady. They are providing customer service with these videos, it’s still a win for the shooting sports.
I believe you are correct.
I think they should be more diligent in how and what they test with. If they are going to the extent of testing why not give it their best shot instead of mediocre testing.
nakneker
Gold $$ Contributor
Hornady is doing a lot of things right, marketing especially. They don’t do everything right but I use a lot of their bullets in my lever actions, varmint rigs and revolvers. They are a strong 2A company which is worth an awful lot now days. It would be nice to see more of their research in print though.
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