They made a bunch of folks think they are some super sniper just for shooting a creedmoor it doesn't surprise me they don't think tuners work....
Hornady Podcast on barrel tuners
- Thread starter DiRTY DOG
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I put ZERO confidence in what Hornady says period. My thoughts on whether a barrel tuner actually works or not is simple. If one does not understand how to adjust it then it may not be for them. BUT, bottom line is THEY WORK. I proved it to myself with four different rifles but all of them are custom built by ODCR - (WSMNUT) here on the site.
They sure did and the ARC is being promoted as a 1000 yard cartridge. It'll get that far and do it better than a 223 but that's about as far as I'd go with claiming its 1000 yard prowess. There are just many better options, just not many in an AR15. I know from experience though, that cartridge is best with lighter bullets. Those don't fit their marketing plan, though. It's pure joy trying to tell someone there are better options when Hornady is the expert and know more than a hillbilly gunsmith. I'm sure they do but they sure have fooled a lot of people lately, about a few things. I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that their tuner podcast comes down to money. They have a plan, I'd almost guarantee it.
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Yea, their marketing pressure was a huge pile of hogwash.
Agreed but their marketing is still selling the 6.5 Creedmoor probably a hundred to one over other calibers.
Yea they made the new shooting world their oyster with the lies they told. But some of us are smarter than they realized.
And serious shooters are dropping them like hotcakes. It's a good starter rifle but that's where it ends. We were shooting 260 Ackleys and 6.5x55 Ackleys in comps yearrrs before hornady up sold the Jesusmoore.
Absolutely it is NOT the be all do all picture that Hornady has led so many shooters believe it to be. And as we clearly see here it has put a bad taste in a lot of experienced shooters mouths with Hornady. So in reality the Creedmoor needsmore honesty being spoken over it.
L.Sherm
Silver $$ Contributor
Because there's alot of people out there that drink the Red Horny kool- aid.
Now Hornady needs a gimmick like, American Gunner 6.5 Creedmoor ammo $1 a round guaranteed forever. They would own the factory market!
Yeah, and call it the 6.5 GREEDmore
A good % of gun owners in the US don’t know anything about firearms, ammo, etc and don’t even shoot their guns. A likely greater % only hunt, plink and chat on the internet about it. Competitors have a lot of experience, but that experience varies widely by discipline and level of experience…. I’d say that this group is more in the minority than most want to believe.
Ammo manufacturers obviously compete through marketing and sales for their profits and growth. It’s far easier to grow and more profitable marketing to the masses than the minority. I’m not suggesting that Hornady has a motive here, but if I were to invent one, I’d say they don’t want to endorse something that could potentially “equalize” bullet quality and designs by thinking that the general gun user could screw something on the end of a barrel and get accuracy from any bullet…. It might detract from their marketing and profiteering efforts.
The vast majority of their sales and profits likely don’t come from competitive rifle disciplines. I would guess they target market the 308/270/30-06/243 masses on the rifle side of their economics.
Ammo manufacturers obviously compete through marketing and sales for their profits and growth. It’s far easier to grow and more profitable marketing to the masses than the minority. I’m not suggesting that Hornady has a motive here, but if I were to invent one, I’d say they don’t want to endorse something that could potentially “equalize” bullet quality and designs by thinking that the general gun user could screw something on the end of a barrel and get accuracy from any bullet…. It might detract from their marketing and profiteering efforts.
The vast majority of their sales and profits likely don’t come from competitive rifle disciplines. I would guess they target market the 308/270/30-06/243 masses on the rifle side of their economics.
jackieschmidt
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All you have to do is visit a large public range, or even a closed membership Gun Club to see first hand what @Press100 is talking about. The vast majority of the shooting public do not have a clue when it comes to stuff that many shooters who frequent this Web Site just accept as common sense knowledge.
Here is my view on this so called “test” from a strictly Technical Viewpoint.
Number one. When testing anything, you have to have a means of removing as many variables from the equation as possible. The first is the range.
the testing should have been performed at 100 yards, over a set of flags that is common to Short Range Benchrest Shooters, and with a shooter that is proficient in gun handling for extreme accuracy and most important, knows how to anylize what the flags and mirage are telling him.
Shooting at 300 yards to ascertain a Rifle’s capabilities is ludicrous. Especially when you start the conversation with,. ….”winds were light”.
Second, you have have to have a (pretty close), to optimum tune on the rifle without the tuner. Just tossing any bullet/powder/seating depth combination in a Rifle and thinking a Tuner will compel it to shoot 1/4 MOA is stupid at best.
Myself, and the vast majority of shooters I know use tuners as a way to change the tune if the load starts going south. You all have read where I say if in a VFS match, I catch myself in a tune that is extremly sensitive in the horizontal, I will adjust the tune ever so slightly to get a little vertical . By that, I mean about .200 worth. Often that means advancing the tuner ever so slightly so the actual length wise movement could be as little as .005 inch.
Second, why anybody would hang anything else off of the barrel when testing a tuner is beyond me. I know that in certain crowds, a suppressor is mandatory if you want to look cool in front of your buddies. But when testing a component such as a Tuner, you want to leave anything else off that could affect the overall accuracy of the combination.
Third. Shoot five shot strings. Always keep in mind that there are only a few things that will cause a bullet to take the exact same path to the target as the one before, but countless things that can cause it not to.
Even with my Rail Gun, with a competitive tune that is capable of placing 10 shots in a sub .200 group, I can keep shooting into that group untill it turns into a .400 blob. Sooner or later, the law of variables catch up.
I am getting ready to head to the range as soon as I finish breakfast. It’s cold and overcast, but I have. new 1-17 twist barrel on my Club Match Rifle that I need to break in and see how it will shoot. I will have my flags and be loading right there just like at a Match. I have to be able to account for every record shot.
Those four guys sitting at that table should be doing the same thing.
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Well said Jackie. In a nutshell, you have to know HOW to test something before results can have much meaning. I'm to the point now that these things don't bother me as much as they did. People that use tuners know they work and haters, gonna hate. I think they are likely capitalizing on the topic because there is so much debate over them. It seems to me that the debate has shifted from, do they work, to how should I best use a tuner, more than anything else. I'm not gonna hate on them but instead, I'd rather help them than to bash them for not understanding how to use them. Nobody was born with that so it has to come from work and testing. The only shortcut is to listen to those that have thoroughly done both. It's easy to see how anyone could get frustrated and give up if they are left to blindly figure them out and how using them wrong would lead to conclusions like theirs.
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Rick300
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Ain't that the truth! When talking with the occasional shooter it becomes obvious really quick that they either don't understand or never heard of most of the things we regularly talk about on this forum. I would guess that the regular posters here represent the top 2 or 3% of shooters/reloaders in the country.
6.5 forever
Silver $$ Contributor
The only Hornady podcast that would get my attention..... Why 6.5 147 ELDM bullets come apart...
I’m sure a reloaded round sounds subpar to new factory ammo for the majority of rifle shooters.
Dimner
I do believe in Captain Crunch.
More and more I think that video was done hastily to just generate content, clicks and page views to hornady products.
Mostly just for content. If you don't post new content often enougj you lose subscribers, viewers and you mess up search optimization (ie being in the upper tier of search results)
Mostly just for content. If you don't post new content often enougj you lose subscribers, viewers and you mess up search optimization (ie being in the upper tier of search results)
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